IPhone hype

[derstuka]

Sooooo....who all is caught up in this iphone hype?? Anybody gonna wait in line today to get one? There are a few people here and there waiting outside AT&T and Apple store. Apparently, Apple is spending at least 100 mill on advertising. Accadacca, being the Apple/electronic gizmo freak he is, is probably the first in line somewhere!

I personally am not going to get one. As long as my phone works, takes a few lame pictures here and there, all is well. It does look like a cool phone though. Lots of neat features. I will say, I think that IPOD's are not user friendly (IMO, and Mtn bike action agrees with me, haha.) and I can hardly get my gf's nano to work. Lack of adequate instructions, simplicity, etc. I guess I need to ask a 12 year old kid in my neighborhood! I am gonna buy a non-apple one, like a cowan that my friend has. Simple, easy to download songs, and whatnot.

[KillEmAll]

... And it requires Itunes! :fitz:

[stefan]

awww, apple woes.

[accadacca]

Its tough when your number one. :ne_nau:

[asdf]

If I paid 500 bucks for each phone I have smashed, dropped, gotten wet or ust used to death in the past few years I could buy a used honda civic.

No Iphone for me.

[accadacca]

If I paid 500 bucks for each phone I have Smashed, Dropped, Gotten Wet or Used to death in the past few years I could buy a Used Honda Civic.

No Iphone for me.
Thats the same thing with me, only in sunglasses. :lol8:

[Kent K25]

Definitely don't need to spend that much on a phone. Plus I don't want that big sucker in my pocket.

As for ipods not being user friendly? Simple as can be if you ask me.

[asdf]

If I paid 500 bucks for each phone I have Smashed, Dropped, Gotten Wet or Used to death in the past few years I could buy a Used Honda Civic.

No Iphone for me.
Thats the same thing with me, only in sunglasses. :lol8:


:roflol: :roflol: :roflol: :roflol:
I get all my glasses at gas stations. I would much rather have nice ones but after breaking my 4th $100+ pair in a year I gave up....

[Kent K25]

Definitely don't need to spend that much on a phone. Plus I don't want that big sucker in my pocket.

As for ipods not being user friendly? Simple as can be if you ask me.

Of course I didn't list the simple things that I CAN'T operate :)

[derstuka]

Definitely don't need to spend that much on a phone. Plus I don't want that big sucker in my pocket.

As for ipods not being user friendly? Simple as can be if you ask me.

Of course I didn't list the simple things that I CAN'T operate :)

The ipod itself is simple as can be, however, I am talking more of the Itunes and Apple websites, being able to find the info you need to download songs, and whatnot. Long story, but I never thought that both websites would have been so difficult to find what you needed for a first timer to be able to get up and running. Plus they give you this tiny cheesy instruction thing, and you have to access the website and scroll thru 500 pages to be able to find what you need....just not my cup of tea...IMO.

[rockgremlin]

Ya, I own an Ipod, and I'll be the first to admit that the user interface sucks my ass!! I have the 30GB photo Ipod -- owned it for 2 years, and to this day I haven't figured out how to download photos onto that damn thing! Another thing I really hate is that you have to have Itunes to download/upload songs onto the Ipod. And...(and this is the worst part)...you can't download songs from the Ipod onto your PC's hard drive unless you have some hacked software that can break the Ipod encryption. It's straight bullshit...I hate Apple products!

[stefan]

Another thing I really hate is that you have to have Itunes to download/upload songs onto the Ipod

uh ... there is an obvious reason for that.



. And...(and this is the worst part)...you can't download songs from the Ipod onto your PC's hard drive unless you have some hacked software that can break the Ipod encryption.


there is an even MORE obvious reason for that.


It's straight bullshit...I hate Apple products!

it's interesting how apple can inspire such hatred :lol8:

[asdf]

put rockbox on that Ipod!

http://www.rockbox.org


http://youtube.com/watch?v=gAWXZXmNBEo

[rockgremlin]

it's interesting how apple can inspire such hatred :lol8:


Well here's an absolutely crazy over-the-top idea: Why not make your products user friendly so that you don't have to be some freaking computer geek to use all of the built-in features?



there is an even MORE obvious reason for that.

Because the Apple folks are all a bunch of eletist asses that insist that if you want to use any one of their products you have to make a complete lifestyle change?

[stefan]

Well here's an absolutely crazy over-the-top idea: Why not make your products user friendly so that you don't have to be some freaking computer geek to use all of the built-in features?

well, rock, i was under the impression that this was the fundamental principle of apple and one primary reason people loved using apple products. on the other hand, the ipod completely revolutionized the user interface of an mp3 player ... another primary reason it became so popular.

now, i have never used an ipod on a windows machine, but i have heard there are some issues there.

[stefan]

there is an even MORE obvious reason for that.

Because the Apple folks are all a bunch of eletist asses that insist that if you want to use any one of their products you have to make a complete lifestyle change?

nope to prevent sharing ...

[stefan]

put rockbox on that Ipod!

http://www.rockbox.org


now a friend told me it drains the ipod battery annoyingly quickly and, more, over that installation isn't straightforward. i have never used it though.

have you summit?

[rockgremlin]

now, i have never used an ipod on a windows machine, but i have heard there are some issues there.

Yes, and that is the crux of my argument. All of Apple's products synch with one another (especially the Irack :lol8: ), and so you can't just use one Apple product by itself unless you are prepared to encounter a world of headaches. In order to operate any Apple product smoothly, you have to go through and replace all of your non-Apple products with Apple products (hence my "lifestyle change" comment).

[KillEmAll]

there is an even MORE obvious reason for that.

Because the Apple folks are all a bunch of eletist asses that insist that if you want to use any one of their products you have to make a complete lifestyle change?

nope to prevent sharing ...

That's why I download mine from Walmart, for an even cheaper price, which allows to burn it to a cd, copy to my mp3 player, etc. I bought the song, not the right to play the song only on my ipod. If apple doesn't trust me with their downloads then I don't need them.

[Kent K25]

Just get a program that removes their limitations. Simple enough

[KillEmAll]

Just get a program that removes their limitations. Simple enough

Why go through all that when walmarts downloads are cheaper and accomplish the same thing? :ne_nau:

[asdf]

on the other hand, the ipod completely revolutionized the user interface of an mp3 player ... another primary reason it became so popular.

Apple did nothing revolutionary with their DAPs beside marketing.



Just get a program that removes their limitations. Simple enough

Why go through all that when walmarts downloads are cheaper and accomplish the same thing? :ne_nau:

Or you could just torrent them for free and play them on everything. :2thumbs:

[Kent K25]

Just get a program that removes their limitations. Simple enough

Why go through all that when walmarts downloads are cheaper and accomplish the same thing? :ne_nau:

Because when you download them from walmart you have to format them for the ipod anyway. Either way a program is necessary.

Now if you're just going to buy a zune or something, yeah, go with walmart

[stefan]

Yes, and that is the crux of my argument. All of Apple's products synch with one another (especially the Irack :lol8: ), and so you can't just use one Apple product by itself unless you are prepared to encounter a world of headaches. In order to operate any Apple product smoothly, you have to go through and replace all of your non-Apple products with Apple products (hence my "lifestyle change" comment).

well, rock, i think the situation is only going to improve. there are kinks to be worked out: the technology is still pretty young, and OS changes happen frequently. but i do believe it will become much smoother.

[stefan]

on the other hand, the ipod completely revolutionized the user interface of an mp3 player ... another primary reason it became so popular.

Apple did nothing revolutionary with their DAPs beside marketing.


not true, we talked about this before, summit ... i'll repeat myself again

there are many things apple did with the first ipod that revolutionized it.

(1) used column views (which could shift) to visualize and access music across the disk (first mp3 player to do this)

(2) scroll wheel to navagate these lists

(3) had a seemless interface between the ipod and the computer and the music stored on the computer which was simple and straightforward to use

(4) they made some of the first small mp3 players with large capacity.

[KillEmAll]

Just get a program that removes their limitations. Simple enough

Why go through all that when walmarts downloads are cheaper and accomplish the same thing? :ne_nau:

Because when you download them from walmart you have to format them for the ipod anyway. Either way a program is necessary.

Now if you're just going to buy a zune or something, yeah, go with walmart

Ahh... I see. I'm not an ipod guy. So does this program copy them to the ipod as well, so it's a complete replacement for itunes?

[KillEmAll]

on the other hand, the ipod completely revolutionized the user interface of an mp3 player ... another primary reason it became so popular.

Apple did nothing revolutionary with their DAPs beside marketing.


not true, we talked about this before, summit ... i'll repeat myself again

there are many things apple did with the first ipod that revolutionized it.

(1) used column views (which could shift) to visualize and access music across the disk (first mp3 player to do this)

(2) scroll wheel to navagate these lists

(3) had a seemless interface between the ipod and the computer and the music stored on the computer which was simple and straightforward to use

(4) they made some of the first small mp3 players with large capacity.

You seriously would consider the first 3 items revolutionary? That's too funny. You must consider the spork pure genious! The only thing even close to revolutionary is the size. Mostly it falls down to right time at the right place. There were so many competing products, the ipod stood out just enough to become hip and all of a sudden everybody had to have one. To think they were revolutionary is just laughable.

[derstuka]

I feel like apple is acting just like the big three in the 1980's...we are selling millions of these, so who cares what problems some might be having. I just wish I could figure out this itunes music website, and how to find what I need on their apple website. I got so frustrated with it, after my gf tried for awhile, that I said forget it, and her nano has been sitting around for about 4 months now, unused. I couldn't even find a number to call someone to ask a question, or for help. There was a FAQ page, and I couldn't find much else. Maybe I will suck it up and give it another shot, after all, the thing is a waste of money just sitting around. Like I said, I think I am gonna buy something else, like a Cowon, and fight the man! Apple company is too big now, I need to help the competition. :rockon:

[marc olivares]

Because the Apple folks are all a bunch of eletist asses that insist that if you want to use any one of their products you have to make a complete lifestyle change?


HEY now! i resemble that remark... :nono:



:bootyshake:

[stefan]

You seriously would consider the first 3 items revolutionary? That's too funny. .... To think they were revolutionary is just laughable.

is it?

[Kent K25]

Just get a program that removes their limitations. Simple enough

Why go through all that when walmarts downloads are cheaper and accomplish the same thing? :ne_nau:

Because when you download them from walmart you have to format them for the ipod anyway. Either way a program is necessary.

Now if you're just going to buy a zune or something, yeah, go with walmart

Ahh... I see. I'm not an ipod guy. So does this program copy them to the ipod as well, so it's a complete replacement for itunes?

You can get a program that will do it yeah. Probably not free though (torrents). But yeah, walmart downloads are .wmv if I'm not mistaken and those won't play on the ipod.

[asdf]

not true, we talked about this before, summit ... i'll repeat myself again

there are many things apple did with the first ipod that revolutionized it.

(1) used column views (which could shift) to visualize and access music across the disk (first mp3 player to do this)

(2) scroll wheel to navagate these lists

(3) had a seemless interface between the ipod and the computer and the music stored on the computer which was simple and straightforward to use

(4) they made some of the first small mp3 players with large capacity.

I know we have talked about it before and I still disagree.
The scroll wheel was still created by symantec not apple.

While where on the topic of revolutions look what toshiba is working on.

http://www.mygigabeat.com/uploaded_images/toshibaChips-737530.jpg

"The new 16GB chip combines eight 2GB NAND chips fabricated with Toshiba's cutting-edge 56nm process technology, along with a controller chip, in a standard small size package. The new embedded memory offers advantages that realize a versatile, easily applied solution: the largest capacity yet achieved in this product category will bring new capabilities to mobile consumer products"

WOW :eek2:

[KillEmAll]

You seriously would consider the first 3 items revolutionary? That's too funny. .... To think they were revolutionary is just laughable.

is it?

Ok, #2 was purdy nifty, even though I always seemed to struggle with it. And I didn't give them credit for making pay-for downloads a legit option when everyone else thought it would be impossible to get people to actually pay for music. Oh, and they were the first to make the volume go all the way to 11. And, they also put the letter 'i' in front of everything. That was an amazing technological change. And I think they also invented smugness. I'll have to wiki the last one to be sure.

[stefan]

not true, we talked about this before, summit ... i'll repeat myself again

there are many things apple did with the first ipod that revolutionized it.

(1) used column views (which could shift) to visualize and access music across the disk (first mp3 player to do this)

(2) scroll wheel to navagate these lists

(3) had a seemless interface between the ipod and the computer and the music stored on the computer which was simple and straightforward to use

(4) they made some of the first small mp3 players with large capacity.

I know we have talked about it before and I still disagree.
The scroll wheel was still created by symantec not apple.


actually the last time you didn't have much to say after. i am interested why you believe that these didn't constitute a revolution in mp3 players. just curious what you think.

also i believe you mean synaptics not symantec. now i don't believe synaptics did the first Gen ipod which actually had a rotating wheel (which is what i meant by revolution, that is, when the first gen ipod was introduced). they were brought on board to develop the "touch wheel". though it still was built to fit apple's design. many parts apple uses are constructed by other companies, though are designed initially by apple, and, perhaps, improved upon by the company.

what exactly is your point?

[asdf]

Yeah my bad... synaptics.
I was able to make circle movements (alone with plenty of other gestures) on the synaptics touch pad on my laptop years ago. I just dont agree with you are far as that option being revolutionary... its different... but not revolutionary.

No real point to make I guess. I knew about Mp3 player long before the ipod so i guess that make them less revolutionary to me.

[stefan]

Yeah my bad... synaptics.
I was able to make circle movements (alone with plenty of other gestures) on the synaptics touch pad on my laptop years ago. I just dont agree with you are far as that option being revolutionary... its different... but not revolutionary.

No real point to make I guess. I knew about Mp3 player long before the ipod so i guess that make them less revolutionary to me.

i should mention that the features i listed as what apple incorporated into the first ipod were revolutionary because they didn't exist in any other mp3 player at the time (save perhaps larger capacity in a small number of exceptions). sure there were other mp3 players at the time, but none had these features. in my opinion having lists,column views, and switching to cruise through your music sure beat the hell out of ANY thing that was around at the time. the software interface between computer and device was great, simple and functional. there was nothing that compared during that time.

do you agree with this or do you disagree?

as far as the rotating wheel? well at the time, i think the rotating wheel was revolutionary, because it gave a very simple way of scrolling through those lists, without moving your finger from button to button and it allowed you to control the velocity of the movement throught the list. moving to a touch sensitive device was a natural extension of this. i suppose what's "revolutionary" was the idea of the wheel to augment buttons to navagate through lists. again it didn't exist in another mp3 player but also goes naturally with the gui. if the majority of folks don't see this as a useful feature, then i suppose it wouldn't have been revolutionary.

[asdf]

In my opinion having lists,column views, and switching to cruise through your music sure beat the hell out of ANY thing that was around at the time. the software interface between computer and device was great, simple and functional. there was nothing that compared during that time.

do you agree with this or do you disagree?

I agree to disagree on this one.

I had a rio player (in 02?) that had the little nub thing that did the same job as the click wheel. My rio also had a directory browser based on ID3 tags like the old Ipods, Iriver, and most every other play I have ever seen.

So to get even more off topic... Revolutionary to me would be a Mp3 player that will allow you to browse files based on file structure and id3 tags and have no sort of file protection. So could connect it to any computer and copy and paste file on and off the device. Nothing on the market does all of these things... at least with out using custom firmware.

For all you guys with Itunes for windows issues I suggest Anapod (http://www.redchairsoftware.com/anapod/featpw.php).


Screenshots (http://www.redchairsoftware.com/anapod/screens.php)
All you need to do is drag and drop your files in Windows Explorer.

[Sombeech]

Another thing I really hate is that you have to have Itunes to download/upload songs onto the Ipod

uh ... there is an obvious reason for that.

Job security.

Drag n' Drop. :nod: Simple is better. It's just data, after all.

If you can only accomplish tasks through certain media players and programs, this is because they think people may choose not to use it if given the choice.

If it's a great program/software, people will choose it regardless. If not, and you fear you'll lose customers, you make it mandatory.

Just get a regular mp3 player, with an expandable slot for an SD card. Pull it out and plug into any computer. :2thumbs:

[Kent K25]

With itunes it is financially to their advantage to make itunes necessary, then you have the itunes store right at your fingertips and can download mu$ic there.

There are plenty of programs you can use instead of itunes (mediamonkey for example)

[accadacca]

:lol8: :lol8: :lol8:

[stefan]

:roflol: :roflol: :roflol:
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:roflol: :roflol: :roflol:

[asdf]

I just read this on cnn....


you'll have to sign an iPhone-specific two-year contract with AT&T to get an iPhone

So does this mean that if your Iphone is lost, damaged, or dies you cant uses anything besides an Iphone with the plan?

Anyone have more info?