birch 6-5-07

[oldno7]

had a great afternoon.

3 of us doing about 20.8 pph

[oldno7]

nice flute

[CarpeyBiggs]

had a great afternoon.

3 of us doing about 20.8 pph

If you were clicking that well, we deserve more than just two images.... :haha:

:popcorn:

[oldno7]

more

[oldno7]

more coming,I'm just slow

[oldno7]

pph

[oldno7]

pph--Our trusted mentor

[Wasatch]

One of my favorite canyons in Zion.

[oldno7]

pph

[oldno7]

pph--oops that one twice--

[oldno7]

pph

[oldno7]

pph

[Alex]

:2thumbs:

[oldno7]

pph

[oldno7]

pph

[oldno7]

I get a stiff neck viewing these :lol8:
guess I should spend more time and rotate---nahh

[rockgremlin]

For your viewing convenience, please tilt head slightly to the right (or left). :haha:

Nice pix!!

[oldno7]

pph-rigging the last rap

[oldno7]

pph

[oldno7]

pph--you asked for-em

[oldno7]

I gotta say thanks to Alex,it's no secret my wife and I are new to canyoneering and we needed someone to walk us through the paces.

This is our first canyon and we're both ready for more.

and I can now tie a fairly mean munter and mule. :mrgreen:
as well as the wife.

[Jaxx]

I gotta say thanks to Alex,it's no secret my wife and I are new to canyoneering and we needed someone to walk us through the paces.

This is our first canyon and we're both ready for more.

and I can now tie a fairly mean munter and mule. :mrgreen:
as well as the wife.

I am also new to the sport. What did you use the munter for. What was your setup?

Did you not have ATC's or a figure 8?

[oldno7]

I gotta say thanks to Alex,it's no secret my wife and I are new to canyoneering and we needed someone to walk us through the paces.

This is our first canyon and we're both ready for more.

and I can now tie a fairly mean munter and mule. :mrgreen:
as well as the wife.

I am also new to the sport. What did you use the munter for. What was your setup?

Did you not have ATC's or a figure 8?

We used the munter to lower our first person to establish a rope length with a bottom not visible.
After setting length a mule was tied into the munter to lock it off,next person rapelled single strand on a figure 8 with a beaner helping add friction.
last person released the munter-mule blocked the rope with a beaner,rapelled and we pulled ropes.

We also practiced tying off a figure 8 mid rap,last person up released the mule and lowered tyed off person.

Was all good and then some

[hesse15]

so basically you went to birch (that is a quiet friendly place) that has clean short nice drops
but is also the perfect place to practic rscue and little ropes tricks
you do not really need there but better practice them before you are in need
i really like the lock of of the 8
so you can use that in case somebody get stuck in middle rappel with hair trapped or a t-shirt.
unlikely after certain times you never do the mule unless you know you will need (ES WATERFALL CANYON)
will be also nice to practice do the same with a normal setting , so how to take out the weight from the biner block and be able to set that rigging for the person
i love go down on single also because allow to have for sure enough rope and in case of emergency you can use the other end to reach a person that is stuck
good job in practicing all of that
the guy that took you there must be a safety oriented one .





We used the munter to lower our first person to establish a rope length with a bottom not visible.
After setting length a mule was tied into the munter to lock it off,next person rapelled single strand on a figure 8 with a beaner helping add friction.
last person released the munter-mule blocked the rope with a beaner,rapelled and we pulled ropes.

We also practiced tying off a figure 8 mid rap,last person up released the mule and lowered tyed off person.

Was all good and then some

[Jaxx]

We used the munter to lower our first person to establish a rope length with a bottom not visible.
After setting length a mule was tied into the munter to lock it off,next person rapelled single strand on a figure 8 with a beaner helping add friction.
last person released the munter-mule blocked the rope with a beaner,rapelled and we pulled ropes.

We also practiced tying off a figure 8 mid rap,last person up released the mule and lowered tyed off person.

Was all good and then some

oh cool. It's always awesome learning new stuff.

[tanya]

more coming,I'm just slow

http://uutah.com/forum/files/dscn5006__small_.jpg




I LOVE it!!!!! :five:

[tanya]

One of my favorite canyons in Zion.


Even better since it's right outside and no permits are needed. One of my favorite too! :five:

[Wasatch]

One of my favorite canyons in Zion.


Even better since it's right outside and no permits are needed. One of my favorite too! :five:

Just don't go out/up Wild Wind Hollow. :bootyshake:

[oldno7]

One of my favorite canyons in Zion.


Even better since it's right outside and no permits are needed. One of my favorite too! :five:

Just don't go out/up Wild Wind Hollow. :bootyshake:

yea Shane mentions that route: I believe in shuttles--call me lazy
the road down to the bottom isn't that bad :popcorn:

[tanya]

One of my favorite canyons in Zion.


Even better since it's right outside and no permits are needed. One of my favorite too! :five:

Just don't go out/up Wild Wind Hollow. :bootyshake:

yea Shane mentions that route: I believe in shuttles--call me lazy
the road down to the bottom isn't that bad :popcorn:


I am a fan of shuttles too. :five: ... but then we just always have 2 vehicles.

[smcqueen]

yea Shane mentions that route: I believe in shuttles--call me lazy
the road down to the bottom isn't that bad :popcorn:

Bottom? Bottom of what?

[tanya]

yea Shane mentions that route: I believe in shuttles--call me lazy
the road down to the bottom isn't that bad :popcorn:

Bottom? Bottom of what?

I just assumed the exit that stays out of the park.... As in not going through Orderville to the Narrows.

http://www.zionnational-park.com/zion-birch-hollow.htm
Bottom Right on this page

[smcqueen]

yea Shane mentions that route: I believe in shuttles--call me lazy
the road down to the bottom isn't that bad :popcorn:

Bottom? Bottom of what?

I just assumed the exit that stays out of the park.... As in not going through Orderville to the Narrows.

http://www.zionnational-park.com/zion-birch-hollow.htm
Bottom Right on this page

Oh, the "Up Orderville Exit." I'll have to try that sometime. I've exited Birch Hollow up Wild Wind Hollow :eek1: :eek1: :eek1:
and down Orderville :thumb: but not up Orderville yet.

[tanya]

yea Shane mentions that route: I believe in shuttles--call me lazy
the road down to the bottom isn't that bad :popcorn:

Bottom? Bottom of what?

I just assumed the exit that stays out of the park.... As in not going through Orderville to the Narrows.

http://www.zionnational-park.com/zion-birch-hollow.htm
Bottom Right on this page

Oh, the "Up Orderville Exit." I'll have to try that sometime. I've exited Birch Hollow up Wild Wind Hollow :eek1: :eek1: :eek1:
and down Orderville :thumb: but not up Orderville yet.

I have heard some whispers of something called Wild Wind Hollow and it usually has that :eek2: along with it.

I think Bo mentioned that when we did it, but it just seemed so easy to set up 2 vehicles and exit the way we did.

[smcqueen]

I have heard some whispers of something called Wild Wind Hollow and it usually has that :eek2: along with it.

I think Bo mentioned that when we did it, but it just seemed so easy to set up 2 vehicles and exit the way we did.

I can well imagine that would be easier. Exiting down Orderville, even though making for a long day, is easier than Wild Wind and also has the virtue of being a very scenic route, whereas Wild Wind Hollow looks more like a trip through Mordor--except that you would be grateful for the Nazgul to come along and fly you out! I can even imagine it would be easier to leave fixed ropes and do Birch Hollow "caver style" than to exit Wild Wind Hollow!

Did I mention that I really dislike the Wild Wind Hollow exit?

[Wasatch]

yea Shane mentions that route: I believe in shuttles--call me lazy
the road down to the bottom isn't that bad :popcorn:

Bottom? Bottom of what?

I just assumed the exit that stays out of the park.... As in not going through Orderville to the Narrows.

http://www.zionnational-park.com/zion-birch-hollow.htm
Bottom Right on this page

Oh, the "Up Orderville Exit." I'll have to try that sometime. I've exited Birch Hollow up Wild Wind Hollow :eek1: :eek1: :eek1:
and down Orderville :thumb: but not up Orderville yet.

Yeah, up Orderville to the corral. Then the road to the trailhead of Birch Hollow. That's still a nice haul in 100+ degree weather. :rockon:

[Iceaxe]

Gosh.... Wild Wind Hollow is just like the noob version of the MIA. If you like Wild Wind you'll love the MIA. :2thumbs:

[smcqueen]

Gosh.... Wild Wind Hollow is just like the noob version of the MIA. If you like Wild Wind you'll love the MIA. :2thumbs:
Yeah, thanks. :nono: I haven't tried any of canyons that use the MIA exit yet. After bivying in Wild Wind, I'm really looking forward to MIA.

[oldno7]

the end of the road in orderville (Turnaround)is approx. 1 mile from where birch dumps into orderville, just past(Upstream)from where you went up wild wind is 1 hill the rest is flat streambed.

[tanya]

Gosh.... Wild Wind Hollow is just like the noob version of the MIA. If you like Wild Wind you'll love the MIA. :2thumbs:
Yeah, thanks. :nono: I haven't tried any of canyons that use the MIA exit yet. After bivying in Wild Wind, I'm really looking forward to MIA.

MIA! Bo and I loved it! It was our escape from the Mountain Lion hanging out in Kolob. :haha:

You have to tell us your bivy story!

[tanya]

I have heard some whispers of something called Wild Wind Hollow and it usually has that :eek2: along with it.

[color=white]I think Bo mentioned that when we did it, but it just seemed so easy to set up 2 vehicles and exit the way we did.

I can well imagine that would be easier. Exiting down Orderville, even though making for a long day, is easier than Wild Wind and also has the virtue of being a very scenic route, whereas Wild Wind Hollow looks more like a trip through Mordor--except that you would be grateful for the Nazgul to come along and fly you out! I can even imagine it would be easier to leave fixed ropes and do Birch Hollow "caver style" than to exit Wild Wind Hollow!

Did I mention that I really dislike the Wild Wind Hollow exit?

I am getting the idea that Wild Wind Hollow is not the way to go. :lol8: It was just a short distance, or perhaps seemed short since it was so pretty, to exit how we did. There was this rock though.... with just enough water spilling on both sides to get us good and wet! The downfall is that you do need 2 vehicles. I guess if you don't you have to do the Wild thing or head for the Narrows.

http://www.zionnational-park.com/images/albums/images/zion-orderville-g_jpg.jpg

http://www.zionnational-park.com/images/albums/images/zion-orderville-h_jpg.jpg

[smcqueen]

the end of the road in orderville (Turnaround)is approx. 1 mile from where birch dumps into orderville, just past(Upstream)from where you went up wild wind is 1 hill the rest is flat streambed.
And I definitely wish we had gone that way! We would have had to walk the road back to the Birch Hollow entrance to get to the car, but it would have been far less pain! :frustrated:

[smcqueen]

Gosh.... Wild Wind Hollow is just like the noob version of the MIA. If you like Wild Wind you'll love the MIA. :2thumbs:
Yeah, thanks. :nono: I haven't tried any of canyons that use the MIA exit yet. After bivying in Wild Wind, I'm really looking forward to MIA.

MIA! Bo and I loved it! It was our escape from the Mountain Lion hanging out in Kolob. :haha:

You have to tell us your bivy story!

It was a couple of summers ago. I took my son-in-law, Jared, and granddaughter, Kelsea (13 at the time), to do Birch Hollow. We got a late start from home and didn't reach the Birch Hollow trailhead until around noon. Then, even though she'd been through vertical training with me, Kelsea was very slow about getting on rope. For example, she would cry, "We're all going to die!" for several minutes before we could coax her over the edge and most of the raps. Well, the upshot was that, by the time we reached Orderville it was getting late. Through lack of experience and poor judgement, we decided to go up Wild Wind Hollow instead of Orderville (it was closer :nono: ) Unfortunately, as those of you who have been up Wild Wind know, it's also much tougher! As it began to get dark, we sent Jared, who was in training for the Logan marathon rushing ahead to get the truck and bring it up to Wild Wind so we wouldn't have to walk so far. Even more unfortunately, he took the water with him! By the time it was full dark, we couldn't see more than a few feet through the thick brush even with my headlamp. Being concerned about walking off a cliff or tripping over a root and breaking an ankle in the dark, I finally declared a stop and bivy. Naturally, we had absolutely no gear for a forced bivy. Luckily, it wasn't cold, maybe 68 or so at the coldest. We spent a very uncomfortable night, taunted by the information from my GPS that we were less than half a mile (as the crow flies) from the exit. (Kelsea actually slept, but that girl can sleep anywhere!) We started moving at first light and it took another hour and a half to travel that half a mile. We were very happy to spot Jared coming to find us with a couple of quarts of Gatorade! Later on, we figured out that if had kept to our original plan and exited up Orderville we could have probably reached the road before dark. From there it would have been only a short road walk to the truck.

After that experience, I now carry an emergency kit with space blankets, fire starters, and emergency food and water.

The next time I did Birch Hollow, we exited down Orderville for a very scenic route. I still haven't done the up Orderville exit, but I probably will soon.

[Wasatch]

Gosh.... Wild Wind Hollow is just like the noob version of the MIA. If you like Wild Wind you'll love the MIA. :2thumbs:
Yeah, thanks. :nono: I haven't tried any of canyons that use the MIA exit yet. After bivying in Wild Wind, I'm really looking forward to MIA.

MIA! Bo and I loved it! It was our escape from the Mountain Lion hanging out in Kolob. :haha:

You have to tell us your bivy story!

Speaking of Cougars/Mountain Lions. We had one run right across in front of us going to Das Boot on Memorial Day, I do have a pic, but has to be high res, and blown up a little, since my point and shoot could not zoom in close enough. He/She just stopped and looked at us for a few seconds and then dissappeared. :cool2:

[Wasatch]

I have heard some whispers of something called Wild Wind Hollow and it usually has that :eek2: along with it.

[color=white]I think Bo mentioned that when we did it, but it just seemed so easy to set up 2 vehicles and exit the way we did.

I can well imagine that would be easier. Exiting down Orderville, even though making for a long day, is easier than Wild Wind and also has the virtue of being a very scenic route, whereas Wild Wind Hollow looks more like a trip through Mordor--except that you would be grateful for the Nazgul to come along and fly you out! I can even imagine it would be easier to leave fixed ropes and do Birch Hollow "caver style" than to exit Wild Wind Hollow!

Did I mention that I really dislike the Wild Wind Hollow exit?

I am getting the idea that Wild Wind Hollow is not the way to go. :lol8: It was just a short distance, or perhaps seemed short since it was so pretty, to exit how we did. There was this rock though.... with just enough water spilling on both sides to get us good and wet! The downfall is that you do need 2 vehicles. I guess if you don't you have to do the Wild thing or head for the Narrows.

http://www.zionnational-park.com/images/albums/images/zion-orderville-g_jpg.jpg

http://www.zionnational-park.com/images/albums/images/zion-orderville-h_jpg.jpg

I don't remember that boulder in Wild Wind Hollow. :ne_nau: Or you go up Orderville to the corral then to the road to the trailhead of Birch Hollow.

[smcqueen]

I don't remember that boulder in Wild Wind Hollow. :ne_nau: Or you go up Orderville to the corral then to the road to the trailhead of Birch Hollow.
Those pix are not from Wild Wind Hollow. They are from Orderville between Birch Hollow and the Narrows. Near the Park Boundary if I'm recalling correctly.

[Iceaxe]

For the record.... we saw a bear in Wild Wind Hollow.

[Wasatch]

I don't remember that boulder in Wild Wind Hollow. :ne_nau: Or you go up Orderville to the corral then to the road to the trailhead of Birch Hollow.
Those pix are not from Wild Wind Hollow. They are from Orderville between Birch Hollow and the Narrows. Near the Park Boundary if I'm recalling correctly.

Before or after Englestead comes in?

[tanya]

I have heard some whispers of something called Wild Wind Hollow and it usually has that :eek2: along with it.

[color=white]I think Bo mentioned that when we did it, but it just seemed so easy to set up 2 vehicles and exit the way we did.

I can well imagine that would be easier. Exiting down Orderville, even though making for a long day, is easier than Wild Wind and also has the virtue of being a very scenic route, whereas Wild Wind Hollow looks more like a trip through Mordor--except that you would be grateful for the Nazgul to come along and fly you out! I can even imagine it would be easier to leave fixed ropes and do Birch Hollow "caver style" than to exit Wild Wind Hollow!

Did I mention that I really dislike the Wild Wind Hollow exit?

I am getting the idea that Wild Wind Hollow is not the way to go. :lol8: It was just a short distance, or perhaps seemed short since it was so pretty, to exit how we did. There was this rock though.... with just enough water spilling on both sides to get us good and wet! The downfall is that you do need 2 vehicles. I guess if you don't you have to do the Wild thing or head for the Narrows.

http://www.zionnational-park.com/images/albums/images/zion-orderville-g_jpg.jpg

http://www.zionnational-park.com/images/albums/images/zion-orderville-h_jpg.jpg

I don't remember that boulder in Wild Wind Hollow. :ne_nau: Or you go up Orderville to the corral then to the road to the trailhead of Birch Hollow.

That boulder is in Orderville Canyon --- going the opposite way as you would to exit via the Zion Narrows. :nod:

[smcqueen]

For the record.... we saw a bear in Wild Wind Hollow.
Recently?

A year or so ago, my wife and I went on one of the ranger-led shuttle trips, where they give an entertaining and educational talk about Zion. The ranger mentioned that she used to tell people that Zion had most of the wildlife indigenous to the southwest, except for bears. "But," she said, "just a few weeks ago, the ranger at the west end of the tunnel was getting ready to leave for the evening when she saw a black bear amble out of the tunnel, head across the road, and disappear into the brush. So now we can add bears to the list." Luckily, there was no traffic. Wonder how long it takes a bear to walk through the tunnel? :ne_nau:

[Wasatch]

I have heard some whispers of something called Wild Wind Hollow and it usually has that :eek2: along with it.

[color=white]I think Bo mentioned that when we did it, but it just seemed so easy to set up 2 vehicles and exit the way we did.

I can well imagine that would be easier. Exiting down Orderville, even though making for a long day, is easier than Wild Wind and also has the virtue of being a very scenic route, whereas Wild Wind Hollow looks more like a trip through Mordor--except that you would be grateful for the Nazgul to come along and fly you out! I can even imagine it would be easier to leave fixed ropes and do Birch Hollow "caver style" than to exit Wild Wind Hollow!

Did I mention that I really dislike the Wild Wind Hollow exit?

I am getting the idea that Wild Wind Hollow is not the way to go. :lol8: It was just a short distance, or perhaps seemed short since it was so pretty, to exit how we did. There was this rock though.... with just enough water spilling on both sides to get us good and wet! The downfall is that you do need 2 vehicles. I guess if you don't you have to do the Wild thing or head for the Narrows.

http://www.zionnational-park.com/images/albums/images/zion-orderville-g_jpg.jpg

http://www.zionnational-park.com/images/albums/images/zion-orderville-h_jpg.jpg

I don't remember that boulder in Wild Wind Hollow. :ne_nau: Or you go up Orderville to the corral then to the road to the trailhead of Birch Hollow.

That boulder is in Orderville Canyon --- going the opposite way as you would to exit via the Zion Narrows. :nod:

Before or after Englestead comes in? If after, I don't remember climbing over it.

[Bo_Beck]

I have heard some whispers of something called Wild Wind Hollow and it usually has that :eek2: along with it.

[color=white]I think Bo mentioned that when we did it, but it just seemed so easy to set up 2 vehicles and exit the way we did.

I can well imagine that would be easier. Exiting down Orderville, even though making for a long day, is easier than Wild Wind and also has the virtue of being a very scenic route, whereas Wild Wind Hollow looks more like a trip through Mordor--except that you would be grateful for the Nazgul to come along and fly you out! I can even imagine it would be easier to leave fixed ropes and do Birch Hollow "caver style" than to exit Wild Wind Hollow!

Did I mention that I really dislike the Wild Wind Hollow exit?

I am getting the idea that Wild Wind Hollow is not the way to go. :lol8: It was just a short distance, or perhaps seemed short since it was so pretty, to exit how we did. There was this rock though.... with just enough water spilling on both sides to get us good and wet! The downfall is that you do need 2 vehicles. I guess if you don't you have to do the Wild thing or head for the Narrows.

http://www.zionnational-park.com/images/albums/images/zion-orderville-g_jpg.jpg

http://www.zionnational-park.com/images/albums/images/zion-orderville-h_jpg.jpg

I don't remember that boulder in Wild Wind Hollow. :ne_nau: Or you go up Orderville to the corral then to the road to the trailhead of Birch Hollow.

That boulder is in Orderville Canyon --- going the opposite way as you would to exit via the Zion Narrows. :nod:

Before or after Englestead comes in? If after, I don't remember climbing over it.

Tanya...these photos are of when we hiked Englestead Canyon with Dean. The boulder picture with Dean standing atop is between Englestead and Birch. If you exit Orderville from the mouth of Birch, you never even see this Boulder. The hike from the mouth of Birch up Orderville is very casual with the exception of the hill to climb on the right (LUC). The walk is not bad to get all the way back to the North Fork Road, just a little long. Beats bushwacking up a steep slope, but then if you don't have 2 vehicles maybe the bushwack makes sense.

[Wasatch]

Bo,

Makes sense, always went down Orderville after doing Englestead, and always up Orderville after doing Birch Hollow, well except once going up Wild Wind. Something to look forward too or not, about the huge boulder. :2thumbs:

[tanya]

Tanya...these photos are of when we hiked Englestead Canyon with Dean. The boulder picture with Dean standing atop is between Englestead and Birch. If you exit Orderville from the mouth of Birch, you never even see this Boulder. The hike from the mouth of Birch up Orderville is very casual with the exception of the hill to climb on the right (LUC). The walk is not bad to get all the way back to the North Fork Road, just a little long. Beats bushwacking up a steep slope, but then if you don't have 2 vehicles maybe the bushwack makes sense.

Oh yeah... now I remember. It's a good thing you write those trip reports not me. :mrgreen:

[tanya]

For the record.... we saw a bear in Wild Wind Hollow.

:eek2:

I guess nothing happened? I have never got to see a bear before!

[tanya]

It was a couple of summers ago. I took my son-in-law, Jared, and granddaughter, Kelsea (13 at the time), to do Birch Hollow. We got a late start from home and didn't reach the Birch Hollow trailhead until around noon. Then, even though she'd been through vertical training with me, Kelsea was very slow about getting on rope. For example, she would cry, "We're all going to die!" for several minutes before we could coax her over the edge and most of the raps.


I still do that! :lol8:

Well, the upshot was that, by the time we reached Orderville it was getting late. Through lack of experience and poor judgement, we decided to go up Wild Wind Hollow instead of Orderville (it was closer :nono: ) Unfortunately, as those of you who have been up Wild Wind know, it's also much tougher! As it began to get dark, we sent Jared, who was in training for the Logan marathon rushing ahead to get the truck and bring it up to Wild Wind so we wouldn't have to walk so far.

That's Bo's job too. :haha:


Even more unfortunately, he took the water with him!


:eek2:

By the time it was full dark, we couldn't see more than a few feet through the thick brush even with my headlamp. Being concerned about walking off a cliff or tripping over a root and breaking an ankle in the dark, I finally declared a stop and bivy. Naturally, we had absolutely no gear for a forced bivy. Luckily, it wasn't cold, maybe 68 or so at the coldest. We spent a very uncomfortable night, taunted by the information from my GPS that we were less than half a mile (as the crow flies) from the exit. (Kelsea actually slept, but that girl can sleep anywhere!) We started moving at first light and it took another hour and a half to travel that half a mile. We were very happy to spot Jared coming to find us with a couple of quarts of Gatorade! Later on, we figured out that if had kept to our original plan and exited up Orderville we could have probably reached the road before dark. From there it would have been only a short road walk to the truck.

:cool2: :frustrated:

After that experience, I now carry an emergency kit with space blankets, fire starters, and emergency food and water.

Good idea. :nod:

The next time I did Birch Hollow, we exited down Orderville for a very scenic route. I still haven't done the up Orderville exit, but I probably will soon.

[Iceaxe]

A year or so ago, my wife and I went on one of the ranger-led shuttle trips, where they give an entertaining and educational talk about Zion. The ranger mentioned that she used to tell people that Zion had most of the wildlife indigenous to the southwest, except for bears.

It was about 5 years ago that we saw the bear. We reported it to Ranger Ray and he mentioned there were a few bear at the higher elevations in the park but not a lot.

This brings me to one of my favorite dumb tourist questions I ask whenever I pay my fee at the toll booth going into Zion or Arches.....

"Where do we go to see the bears?" :haha:

.

[tanya]

A year or so ago, my wife and I went on one of the ranger-led shuttle trips, where they give an entertaining and educational talk about Zion. The ranger mentioned that she used to tell people that Zion had most of the wildlife indigenous to the southwest, except for bears.

It was about 5 years ago that we saw the bear. We reported it to Ranger Ray and he mentioned there were a few bear at the higher elevations in the park but not a lot.

This brings me to one of my favorite dumb tourist questions I ask whenever I pay my fee at the toll booth going into Zion or Arches.....

"Where do we go to see the bears?" :haha:

.

:roll: That is really dumb :lol8:

[oldno7]

same rock this year--

[tanya]

For the record.... we saw a bear in Wild Wind Hollow.
Recently?

A year or so ago, my wife and I went on one of the ranger-led shuttle trips, where they give an entertaining and educational talk about Zion. The ranger mentioned that she used to tell people that Zion had most of the wildlife indigenous to the southwest, except for bears. "But," she said, "just a few weeks ago, the ranger at the west end of the tunnel was getting ready to leave for the evening when she saw a black bear amble out of the tunnel, head across the road, and disappear into the brush. So now we can add bears to the list." Luckily, there was no traffic. Wonder how long it takes a bear to walk through the tunnel? :ne_nau:


I am jealous! I want to see a bear. :popcorn:









































When I am inside a safe vehicle with the windows up . :mrgreen:

[smcqueen]

same rock this year--
I remember that used to be a simple downclimb. Now it's a rap? Has a lot of sand washed out or something? I haven't been through there since last August.

[smcqueen]

I am jealous! I want to see a bear. :popcorn:
No fair! :mrgreen: You've already seen a cougar!

[oldno7]

same rock this year--
I remember that used to be a simple downclimb. Now it's a rap? Has a lot of sand washed out or something? I haven't been through there since last August.

it's a rap for us rookies :lol8:

actually the backcountry desk tells everyone it's a rap so we obliged,gladly.

[smcqueen]

same rock this year--
I remember that used to be a simple downclimb. Now it's a rap? Has a lot of sand washed out or something? I haven't been through there since last August.

it's a rap for us rookies :lol8:

actually the backcountry desk tells everyone it's a rap so we obliged,gladly.
Maybe we did rap that one. I remember using a handline to downclimb one rock and I was thinking it was that one, but at my advanced age who knows? :ne_nau:

[tanya]

I am jealous! I want to see a bear. :popcorn:
No fair! :mrgreen: You've already seen a cougar!


Yeah! That ruled!!!! :rockon: (since we were not eaten!) -- but no photos! :ne_nau: ..... But a BEAR!!!! now that's cool too! :five:

Long long long long ago.... when I use to work in Zion (during college year summers) I had a baby bobcat. That was the coolest! I let a photographer borrow him for photos and the cat died. It choked on a chicken bone. Someone found the cat .... all the other babies were dead and the mother was dead. It was so much fun! It was like a baby kitten (played like one too) with big claws. I lived in Springdale at the time behind the post office and they had birds of some sort in pens. That cat loved to scare them. It would lay on my car dash.

That was the best. :nod: