Question: Where is Hole-In-The-Wall?

[Rev. Coyote]

I'm wondering how to find the place where Butch Cassidy used to hide --Hole-In-The-Wall. My place in La Sal is near where the McCarty Brothers (two members of the gang) came from, so the interest is purely local.

[KillEmAll]

I could be wrong (I usually am - unless I'm debating with you :haha: ) but I think that is up in Wyoming. Anyone confirm that?

[asdf]

I found this info here.

http://www.willowcreekranch.com/hole.html



Between escapades, the Wild West outlaws fled to hideouts to plan their next move. The Hole-in-the-Wall in Johnson County, Wyoming, was one of the major hideaways.

The Hole-In-The-Wall refers to both the fertile valley where gang members pastured stolen livestock, and to the narrow trail up over the red wall - the only way into the valley from the east.

Also the "hole-in-the-wall" is the name of the employee cafeteria at Sundance resort.


A great place for a beer is the owl bar at Sundance.
The Sundance Owl Bar* was moved to Sundance from Thermopolis, Wyoming. The restored 1890's bar is the original Rosewood Bar once frequented by Butch Cassidy's Hole-in-the-Wall Gang.
http://www.sundanceresort.com/owl_bar.htm

http://www.go-utah.com/UT/images/listings/SundanceOwlBar-2.jpg

[Rev. Coyote]

You guys are the bomb. Thanks very much.

[Wasatch]

I could be wrong (I usually am - unless I'm debating with you :haha: ) but I think that is up in Wyoming. Anyone confirm that?

I believe you are right.

[Iceaxe]

The Outlaw Trail passed through Hole in the Wall (Wy), Browns Hole (Near Vernal) and Robbers Roost (Near Hanksville). Here is a little bit of info I put together on the Outlaw Trail (mostly the Roost) a few years ago,

Outlaw Trail/Robbers Roost
http://climb-utah.com/Roost/rrhistory.htm

:popcorn:

[Scott P]

Browns Hole (Near Vernal)

Not to be picky, but it's actually what is now called Browns Park instead of Browns Hole. :wink: I'm not sure why some books list it as Browns Hole when that is actually a different place? Perhaps an old name?

Anyway, I was just there last weekend.

I don't know if anyone would be interested, but here is the trip we did and some photos of what the area looks like:

http://www.summitpost.org/mountain/rock/289454/diamond-mountain.html

[Rev. Coyote]

The Outlaw Trail passed through Hole in the Wall (Wy), Browns Hole (Near Vernal) and Robbers Roost (Near Hanksville). Here is a little bit of info I put together on the Outlaw Trail (mostly the Roost) a few years ago,

Outlaw Trail/Robbers Roost
http://climb-utah.com/Roost/rrhistory.htm

:popcorn:

So exactly where is the Roost?

[Jaxx]

So exactly where is the Roost?
North east of Hanksville, East of Goblin Valley/San Rafael Swell.

http://www.canyoneeringusa.com/utah/roost/
There is a good map of the area on this page.

[asdf]

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=913707 :2thumbs:

[Wasatch]

So exactly where is the Roost?

It's across the street from Goblin Valley State Park, LOL

[Rev. Coyote]

Well dang, I've spent some time out there...

[Iceaxe]

Not to be picky, but it's actually Browns Park instead of Browns Hole.

Matt Warner calls it Brown's Hole in his book. And since he was actually one of the outlaws the trail was named for I'll differ to him.

Warner's book is a pretty good read if you are into outlaw history of the area.

:popcorn:

[Rev. Coyote]

Another great local history is The Far Country (history of Moab and San Juan) by Faun McConkie Tanner. If you can find it. I saw one copy at Back of Beyond for about $50. Worth every cent.

[Iceaxe]

Here are three books I highly recommend on the Roost and Outlaw Trail

The Wild Bunch at Robbers Roost
by Pearl Baker
http://www.amazon.com/Wild-Bunch-Robbers-Roost/dp/080326089X

Robbers Roost Recollections
by Pearl Baker
http://www.amazon.com/Robbers-Roost-Recollections-Western-Experience/dp/0874211549

Last of the Bandit Riders
by Matt Warner
http://www.amazon.com/Last-Bandit-Riders-Revisited/dp/0965669416

FWIW: Pearl Baker's father homesteaded the Roost Ranch and she lived at the ranch during the high point of the Wild Bunch. Ton's of info in Pearls books on names and places .

:popcorn:

[Iceaxe]

Another great local history is The Far Country (history of Moab and San Juan) by Faun McConkie Tanner. If you can find it. I saw one copy at Back of Beyond for about $50. Worth every cent.

Thanks for the reference.The book is $39 at Amazon

The far country: A regional history of Moab and La Sal, Utah
by Faun McConkie Tanner
http://www.amazon.com/far-country-regional-history-Moab/dp/0913420638/

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[Scott P]

Matt Warner calls it Brown's Hole in his book. And since he was actually one of the outlaws the trail was named for I'll differ to him.

I assume the name must have been changed sometime in the past. Browns Hole must be the original name(?).

Anyway, if you are looking to visit the area where the outlaws hung out, make sure to visit what is now Browns Park instead of what is now Browns Hole. :2thumbs:


Warner's book is a pretty good read if you are into outlaw history of the area.

I've read the two other books you mention, but I haven't read Matt Warners book. I do know however where he has left some of his signatures on the canyon walls. I know he has at least three in the San Rafael Swell. :2thumbs:

Kelsey's Robbers Roost Book is another pretty good one on the history of the area.

[Iceaxe]

The Bassett Homestead was where the outlaws often worked/hide in Browns Hole. Some historians believe one of the Bassett daughters was Etta Place (Sundances's wife).

[gonzo]

Thanks for the reference.The book is $39 at Amazon

The far country: A regional history of Moab and La Sal, Utah
by Faun McConkie Tanner
http://www.amazon.com/far-country-regional-history-Moab/dp/0913420638/

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Ken Sander's Rare Books has a first edition for $45
http://www.kensandersbooks.com/bookdetails.php?id=11402

[Wasatch]

Here are three books I highly recommend on the Roost and Outlaw Trail

The Wild Bunch at Robbers Roost
by Pearl Baker
http://www.amazon.com/Wild-Bunch-Robbers-Roost/dp/080326089X

Robbers Roost Recollections
by Pearl Baker
http://www.amazon.com/Robbers-Roost-Recollections-Western-Experience/dp/0874211549

Last of the Bandit Riders
by Matt Warner
http://www.amazon.com/Last-Bandit-Riders-Revisited/dp/0965669416

FWIW: Pearl Baker's father homesteaded the Roost Ranch and she lived at the ranch during the high point of the Wild Bunch. Ton's of info in Pearls books on names and places .

:popcorn:

I've read the Pearl book, very nice.

I still have and need to read "Digging Up Butch and Sundance" by Anne Meadows.

[rwpontius]

When I lived in Wyoming I always heard Hole-in-the-Wall was in the Powder River Drainage west of Kaycee, Wyoming. Neat country there at the south end of the Bighorns. A fair amount of private land but also a fair amount of BLM land.
RP