Cruise Ship in a Cyclone [Archive] - Bogley Outdoor Community

Rev. Coyote

03-27-2007, 07:18 AM

I'd always wanted to see how those designs handle in heavy seas. That's awful. Too much up top, not enough bow. They maximize cabin at the expense of seaworthiness. That was a really bad field too, though.

The white-knuckle fear of piloting a boat in heavy seas is like nothing else. I feel sorry for the captain here -- this must have gone on for hours.

Scott Card

03-27-2007, 08:10 AM

YIKES! So why would a cruise liner ever be close to seas like that. Did the captian forget to watch the news at 10:00? Weather reports? HELLLLO...

accadacca

03-27-2007, 08:33 AM

Looks like too many people had the buffet that night and they are all on the right side of the ship. :lol8:

Sombeech

03-27-2007, 10:52 AM

If this boat's a rockin', don't come a knockin'.

I'm not understanding how it's leaning so far to the right. There must be more than the waves to affect it like that.

MTpockets

03-27-2007, 12:06 PM

YIKES! So why would a cruise liner ever be close to seas like that. Did the captian forget to watch the news at 10:00? Weather reports? HELLLLO...

It looks to me like the wind is coming from the port quarter. If so this would account for some of the roll to the starboard.

He might not be able to turn into the wind due to an engineering casualty or hazard to navigation. Something we cannot see like a reef or whatnot.

And if he did turn into the wind it might increase the roll because of the waves and swell.

Doesn't look like he making much way either and while I cannot see anyone on deck or bridge I wonder why the helicopter is there as well.

Rev. Coyote

03-27-2007, 12:52 PM

I'm not understanding how it's leaning so far to the right. There must be more than the waves to affect it like that.

It's because the boat is very topheavy -- poor design. Also, he's taking those seas off the quarter now and then, which causes a hard roll. Then the wind is catching the high sides and contributing to the roll. The boat, if you notice, has a rounded chine -- another factor in the roll. Also think he didn't have enough forward speed to overcome the roll, but I don't want to second guess the captain. Had he gone broadside, the boat would have laid down for sure.

That ship design is crap. That's the story in the film.

So, it's waves, wind, design, and speed.

DiscGo

03-27-2007, 04:07 PM

That ship design is crap. That's the story in the film.

That ship was in the mediterranean, which is know for having calm waters. A huge storm, cyclone, freak tsunami, etc. can actually happen pretty much any where at any time. Often being docked will only make it worse (because the ship is tied up and scraps against the dock until the ship sinks, or the dock is destroyed.

The ship design is awesome. I don't know if you guys have ever seen a cruise ship out of the water, but it is basically a huge catamaran. If the ship design were not excellent, the ship would have sunk.

Rev. Coyote

03-27-2007, 07:18 PM

The ship design is awesome. I don't know if you guys have ever seen a cruise ship out of the water, but it is basically a huge catamaran. If the ship design were not excellent, the ship would have sunk.

That doesn't look like a catamaran. Do you have a pic of that hull out of water? When she was yawing, you could see the round chine. The film's a bit rough. But I really don't think it's a cat. Too narrow, single bow.

Disc, I know you like to argue any point w/me, but the reason that boat didn't lay down is superior handling by a seasoned captain. I don't know really whether he tried to heave to or what, but loooking at the film you provided, that boat didn't have much grace. She is entirely too top-heavy, as proved by the film.

I've spent loads of time on the water, and more than enough in hard seas. What I see on the film is a boat that's very awkward. Cruise ships have a lot of different s\designs -- some good, some not.

Do you know the circumstances here? Were there passengers?

DiscGo

03-27-2007, 07:42 PM

Rev- I know you like to argue with me! But seriously I have spent a lot of time around cruise ships and most of them do have similar designs over the last 10 years, with different amenities. I'll see what I can find.

Rev. Coyote

03-27-2007, 08:03 PM

DiscGo

03-27-2007, 08:23 PM

Both. I was employed by Holland America for a couple of years. I have taken 3 of their cruises.

Rev. Coyote

03-28-2007, 06:41 AM

Both. I was employed by Holland America for a couple of years. I have taken 3 of their cruises.

That must have been an experience -- were you working "on baord," or otherwise?

DiscGo

03-28-2007, 06:43 AM

Otherwise. I have been on board lots of times for work, but I have never worked on the boat.

03-28-2007, 07:05 AM

You two need to get a room at that cruise ship :feelgood: :lol-lol:

Sombeech

03-28-2007, 11:11 AM

No humping on Port Side. We're having a little bit of a weight issue.

Rev. Coyote

03-28-2007, 12:09 PM

No humping on Port Side. We're having a little bit of a weight issue.

No figgining in the rigging. Always to leward, never to windward.

Yarrgh!!!

Hey, I'm putting my cruiser back in the water this spring. Couldn't sell her for a resonable sum in this market, so I'm condemned to put out to sea again. Now where's my martini shaker...?

03-28-2007, 02:35 PM

Ahhh, you're a polluter of our waterways. Take up swimming, no motorized use on the water :roflol: :roflol: :roflol:

Rev. Coyote

03-28-2007, 02:39 PM

Ahhh, you're a polluter of our waterways. Take up swimming, no motorized use on the water :roflol: :roflol: :roflol:

I smell yacht envy....

03-28-2007, 03:06 PM

I smell yacht envy....
Hell no, I'm all for saving the waterway environment :lol8: All those little amoebas your killing with that gas/oil mix spilling into our waterways. How are the fish supposed to find their way out of their Hibernaculums with that oil getting into their eyes :ne_nau: :lol8: Take up swimming like you do hiking and save a fish :haha:

DiscGo

03-28-2007, 03:56 PM

JP-I hope you're kidding. I can't imagine someone who is such a 4x4 vehicle nut criticizing a boat owner for doing the same thing with a different hobby.

03-28-2007, 04:24 PM

JP-I hope you're kidding. I can't imagine someone who is such a 4x4 vehicle nut criticizing a boat owner for doing the same thing with a different hobby.
What :ne_nau: , all that gas and oil mix spewing into our waterways is not eco-friendly. Think of all the organisms that are affected by that mix, human waste and garbage tossed overboard. Why not swim like these landlubbers like to hike, what's the difference? They preach :hail2thechief: that the motorized community is taking a huge toll on the environment we travel over, but not to care about their motorized use of the water? :bs: Use a canoe or kayak, I guess they

DiscGo

03-28-2007, 04:55 PM

[quote=JP]

But, you know me, I feel that people should be able to use the great outdoors in anyway they see fit when it comes to recreation. :2thumbs: It

Rev. Coyote

03-29-2007, 06:36 AM

[quote=JP]But, you know me, I feel that people should be able to use the great outdoors in anyway they see fit when it comes to recreation. :2thumbs: It

03-29-2007, 06:43 AM

(and will consider over martinis on deck later this week)
What I rail against is the off-trail activity so prevelant around San Juan County (and other places)
I'll have the laptop, so I'll let everybody know what the plans are hopefully for the evening hours.

And I have a problem with the off-trail stuff as well :five:

nefarious

03-29-2007, 10:03 PM

The weather starting getting rough. The tiny ship was tossed. If not for the courage of the fearless crew... :)

Sombeech

03-30-2007, 07:33 AM

That's proof of Global Warming right there. The warmer waters are disturbing the fish, and they are pushing the poorly designed hull.

nefarious

03-30-2007, 09:13 PM

You two need to get a room at that cruise ship :feelgood: :lol-lol:Ah man, JP is always being left out of these love fests and I can see it's starting to annoy him.

Alright, JP, I admire that you seem to be a tough customer and a can-do kinda' guy. The rigs you drive are awesome and it makes me jealous and ashamed because my off-roader is a junky '89 Blazer that I don't dare to start w/o running the oil through it first because I haven't driven it for 18 months.

The fact you come clear out here to play is cool too. Even if I had the green to be taking frequent vacations, I wouldn't do it anyway 'cause I'm too damn lazy. Vacations tend to be hard work, can't have that. Pathetic, huh? So, you're awesome awesome awesome, JP! Yay!
:clap:

DiscGo

03-30-2007, 09:30 PM

accadacca

03-30-2007, 10:06 PM

I'm the original Utah Outdoor Pimp...does that count? :lol8:

Rev. Coyote

04-02-2007, 12:44 PM

Lately I have felt very connected with Utah. When people bad mouth Utah, I take it personally. Actually I don't care if you don't like Utah and you don't live here. But it drives me nuts to have people here who don't like it. I especially don't like college students who come here and bad mouth the state until they leave. I wish they would just go to school in their own states.

When people compliment Utah, I feel connected to them and just automatically like them more. Do any of you guys have this going on at all?

I love Utah with all my heart, like I love Virginia. That's why I see red when developers etc. try and ruin these sweet places. VA is almost a lost cause, turned into just another strip mall.

The thing most people do when I tell them of my plans to move to Utah is say, "Aren't you afraid of the Mormons?" All I can do is remind them the Commonwealth spawned Falwell and Robertson...

DiscGo

04-02-2007, 01:28 PM

I really do like Virgina. I think it is a beautiful state! I also like Massachusetts, Connecticut, Main, & Pennsylvania. I hear what you are saying about your state being overly commercialized. It sadly seems to be the way of our country.

On a plus side, I can't wait for when you come to Utah, and become Mormon. Once we get you straightened out, you are going to be a great asset to the LDS church Rev! :D

Rev. Coyote

04-02-2007, 02:41 PM

On a plus side, I can't wait for when you come to Utah, and become Mormon. Once we get you straightened out, you are going to be a great asset to the LDS church Rev! :D

So how many wives do I get...?

By the way, my saintly momma is moving to Maine this month. That state is very cool. She'll be in a neat little downeast harbour town. Lots to do on the water.

DiscGo

04-02-2007, 03:44 PM

So how many wives do I get...?

:haha:

By the way, my saintly momma is moving to Maine this month. That state is very cool. She'll be in a neat little downeast harbour town. Lots to do on the water.

My friend thinks that Maine is the prettiest of all of the lower 48 states. He'll be jealous of your Mom.

Rev. Coyote

04-02-2007, 04:07 PM

My friend thinks that Maine is the prettiest of all of the lower 48 states. He'll be jealous of your Mom.

My wife and I are thinking in a few years she'll retire and I'll be able to keep doing my job anywhere -- so we'll set up camp in SE Utah and then take our boat up to Maine, where we'll dock in my Momma's town. Spend a few months in Utarrgh and and few in Maine.

That couldn't suck but so bad.

DiscGo

04-02-2007, 04:40 PM

My wife and I are thinking in a few years she'll retire and I'll be able to keep doing my job anywhere -- so we'll set up camp in SE Utah and then take our boat up to Maine, where we'll dock in my Momma's town. Spend a few months in Utarrgh and and few in Maine.

That couldn't suck but so bad.

That would be SWEET! I've have thought about trying to set the same thing up between Alaska and Utah, but I have not been able to do anything yet.

denaliguide

04-03-2007, 02:53 AM

a three hour tour!!

04-06-2007, 01:00 AM

Ah man, JP is always being left out of these love fests and I can see it's starting to annoy him.

Alright, JP, I admire that you seem to be a tough customer and a can-do kinda' guy. The rigs you drive are awesome and it makes me jealous and ashamed because my off-roader is a junky '89 Blazer that I don't dare to start w/o running the oil through it first because I haven't driven it for 18 months.

The fact you come clear out here to play is cool too. Even if I had the green to be taking frequent vacations, I wouldn't do it anyway 'cause I'm too damn lazy. Vacations tend to be hard work, can't have that. Pathetic, huh? So, you're awesome awesome awesome, JP! Yay!
:clap:
How did I miss this response :lol8:
Everybody needs a little playtime now and then, kids get recess :haha: