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Iceaxe
03-15-2007, 04:46 PM
As Microsoft is out touting the "wow" of Windows Vista, two federal agencies are among those saying "whoa."

The Department of Transportation (DOT) and the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) cite fear of compatibility problems as one of the reasons not to allow their tens of thousands of employees to upgrade to Microsoft's latest operating system.

"We are temporarily not permitting computers with the Vista operating system to be connected to our networks," Michael Baum, a NIST spokesman, said Tuesday. The organization's technology staff is testing NIST applications and evaluating the security in Windows Vista. The same holds true for Internet Explorer 7 and Office 2007, he said.

It is not unusual that agencies aren't rushing to install major software updates. Large organizations in particular tend to do a lot of testing before upgrading. The same happened when Microsoft released Service Pack 2 for Windows XP. The actions by DOT, which employs about 54,000 people, and NIST, with 2,900 employees, were first reported by Information Week.

The DOT also bans Vista, Office 2007 and IE 7. In addition to compatibility concerns, the department lists cost, available funding and a pending headquarters move as reasons not to upgrade, according to a DOT memo dated January 19 (click for PDF of the memo). The memo is still current, a DOT representative said Tuesday.

"There appears to be no compelling technical or business case for upgrading to these new Microsoft software products," according to the memo. The department plans to issue an update next month to clarify its strategy for 2008 and beyond, the representative said.

In a statement, Microsoft said it is working with many government agencies to help them adopt its latest products. "We respect the customer's decision," the company said.

The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), the largest organization under the DOT, is taking the opportunity to consider alternatives to Microsoft's operating system and productivity software, said Tammy Jones, an FAA spokeswoman. This includes including running Linux on desktops and using Google's online applications, she said.

"We're trying to see what the cost impact would be to the FAA to convert to the new Microsoft products," Jones said. "We want to explore what some of the alternatives are. Google is one that we're looking at, so is Linux." The FAA has about 45,000 employees.

Vista has been available to businesses since late November and was released to the general public at the end of January. About 90 million copies of the operating system will be installed this year, predicts IDC. The analyst firm also foresees that consumers will be first to adopt the system. Businesses should be cautious, IDC advises.

"Business customers should take a cautious approach to adopting new Windows technologies and need to go through a normal evaluation cycle," IDC analyst Al Gillen wrote in a recent report. "Most organizations should incorporate a move to Windows Vista in their longer-term road map--unless they are planning to move toward competitive solutions."

Many organizations will need up to 18 months after the Vista ship date to verify their applications, get other software makers to support the operating system and run tests, analyst firm Gartner said in a December report. "Sooner or later, most organizations will deploy Windows Vista," Gartner's analysts said.

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1009_22-6166868.html?tag=nl.e550

JP
03-15-2007, 06:51 PM
I like my XP Pro :nod:

Iceaxe
03-15-2007, 07:08 PM
I like my XP Pro :nod:

DITTO :2thumbs:

HEADHUNTER
03-15-2007, 08:07 PM
I work for a federal government agency and we finally have EVERY workstation upgraded to XP - maybe within the last year. And, in 2006 we decided that it'd be great to have Office 2003. As for VISTA - oh heck no - there'll be a new OS out before we even started to think about moving to XP.

Oh and our servers - finally upgraded to Server 2003 - we did have to buy new ones because the one's that we were not compatible.

Rev. Coyote
03-15-2007, 08:16 PM
Mac OS 10.4.9 rocks.

The PC stuff just doesn't even register on my radar.

R
03-15-2007, 08:37 PM
http://richardbarron.net/pix/915.gif

DiscGo
03-15-2007, 08:52 PM
That comic is good.

Sombeech
03-15-2007, 09:15 PM
I'm still working around 7 PCs with Windows 98. :rope:

Cirrus2000
03-15-2007, 09:48 PM
I'm still working around 7 PCs with Windows 98. :rope:
NT 4.0 where I work.

:compthrow:

Alex
03-16-2007, 06:38 AM
Linux, Novell, Windows 2000, 2003 and XP here. Macs are banned from our networks ... and we are education organization :lol8: :twisted:

Testing Vista now, but I doubt we will budge until at least SP2 comes out for Vista.

Say No To Macs!

R
03-16-2007, 07:04 AM
Say No To Macs!

No crashes, no viruses, no complaints about our Macs at home or here at the newspaper. Why on earth would I say "no" to Macs?

Alex
03-16-2007, 07:10 AM
Say No To Macs!

No crashes, no viruses, no complaints about our Macs at home or here at the newspaper. Why on earth would I say "no" to Macs?

Don't ask questions, just say NO! :lol8: You are either on our side or you are against us.

R
03-16-2007, 07:13 AM
Of course, that makes perfect sense. My bad.

Alex
03-16-2007, 07:16 AM
No crashes, no viruses, no complaints about our Macs at home or here at the newspaper.

Could this be why? http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/12806/ Why would anyone write viruses for a 6% of the market share?

gonzo
03-16-2007, 08:02 AM
When I started working for Cisco in 2000 they were still using Windows 95. In 2001-2002 they finally upgraded to Windows 2000. I doubt they're even up to XP at this point.

Iceaxe
03-16-2007, 10:12 AM
My server is running Windows NT Server 4.0. My work stations are a cross between Windows 98 and XP Pro.

A friend upgraded to Vista and told me he now spends all day answering OK to warnings about how opening the program/page/website/document/yada/yada could be harmful. :lol8:

I rushed out once and was the first to upgrade(Windows 95).... that was a big mistake. I couldn't get drivers or support. I'll never be the first to upgrade again. Let others work out the bugs.

Now I usually upgrade when I buy a new computer.... my old computers are working just great with the OS they are currently running.

:popcorn:

Alex
03-16-2007, 10:18 AM
Shane, tell you friend to go to:

Start menu - Run - type: msconfig - click on Tools and uncheck Disable UCL support. It will shut that annoying feature up.

I installed Vista on my vmware to test my apps on it, it's not too bad if you know how to shut off all the worthless services.

Iceaxe
03-16-2007, 12:02 PM
Disable UCL support.

:2thumbs:

asdf
03-16-2007, 02:11 PM
Say No To Macs!

No crashes, no viruses, no complaints about our Macs at home or here at the newspaper. Why on earth would I say "no" to Macs?

Well what do you do when you want to upgrade it you need some sort of part replacement ... buy a new one or get the shaft at a service center?
If they run forever sweet.. but i dont care, I like to upgrade my PC. What makes Windows great is the wide variety of software and hardware that its compatible with. If my video card goes down or if I want to upgrade it takes me 2min to get a new one installed.

Viruses, they are coming sooner then you may think. The main reasons there is so many more viruses for Winderz is most virus writing tools or designed to effect windows. If you wrote a virus what you to effect a large or small percentage of the computer world. As macs gain more market share their will be more malware.

Macs are sweet, but if you want more for your dollar build your own PC.

I work with Xp, 2000 server and 2k3 server every day. I have only seen Vista a few times and from what I know i don't like it. I still cant believe there are so many versions, If i upgrade it will only be for Halo2 and Halo Wars (both vista only) :frustrated: