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Wilma
02-21-2007, 04:20 PM
You probably think you know what frightens most men. A long-weekend at the in-laws' place. Antiquing. Running out of beer in the third quarter. But that's just the stuff he'll admit to being afraid of, which, by definition, means they're not his true deep fears. So how can you determine what those are? Easy: They're the ones he'll almost never talk about. But I will.

Let's count down through the Scary Fifteen:

#15 Hair in the drain. The first sign of male pattern baldness brings a man face-to-follicle with a skimpy aspect of his future. And it's always earlier than he expects or wants (which is, like, never). Logically, men know that baldness is as much of a part of life as Leno making Britney jokes. Logically, men know that being bald doesn't mean that they're any less smart, virile, or successful. Logically, men know that women don't care how much hair their men have. Logically, men know there are plenty of bald men who are comfortable in their skin--no matter how much of it they're showing. But when it first happens, it feels like stepping on a scale and being 20 pounds heavier or waking up in high school with a quarter-sized nose pimple. It's the inevitable and uncontrollable change in appearance that men try so desperately to protect. Maybe even more importantly, this moment when a man starts losing his hair says a lot about him-whether he's cool enough to handle it, or anxious enough to attempt to deny it with combovers, Rogaine, or faith healers.

#14 Getting caught noticing another woman. A man's instinctual response to visual stimulation very rarely has anything to do with his current relationship or how he feels about it. But his lizard brain reacts instantly, and before he knows he's doing it, he's looking at someone else. We hate having to explain behaviors that even we don't fully understand.

#13 Rejection. Doesn't matter whether it happens after a job interview, or at a bar, or on the basketball court. And remember, there's a difference between losing and being outright rejected. Men can handle losing a game or having a bar conversation disintegrate into nothing. But the proud creatures that men are, they hate having their shots blocked. Mainly, that's because it means that someone else has the upper hand-and is gloating about it.

#12 Super Nanny.

#11 Speedos.

#10 His dad's death. It's his most powerful moment of a reflection, as he thinks about his own mortality. Becoming the family patriarch is heavy stuff. For many men, it's a life-changing moment, because they think about what their fathers did for them and what they failed to do. The next step: Considering what they need to do to be better dads and better men themselves--which means they must confront their own failures, as well. That's a lot for a grief-stricken man to deal with. He should get some latitude to do that in his own way. For him, reaching out may be through what seem like misdirections--more chatter about fishing with friends, an extra set of tickets to the Phillies showdown with the Mets. But guys need a reason to get together; the talk will come during a slow point in the 6th inning, or in the car on the way home.

#9 Her tears. Men know it's natural, that women need to do it, and that it's a signal that they better provide something more than just a tissue-even though many men have no clue what that something might be. Men have been told that women cry for all kinds of reasons-to release some emotions, to get our attention, or just because dammit, The Bachelor rose ceremony is so stinkin' sad. Men want to do the right thing, but because men don't navigate those falling waters very often, they probably do the wrong thing more often than not. Which is another reason why they fear her emotional tsunami.

#8 Being a lousy lover. Of all the things that men want to happen in bed, pleasing their women ranks near the top of the list, according to a national Men, Love, and Sex survey by Harris Interactive. Men hate to think that women may be bored, unimpressed, or unsatisfied. Maybe it's an ego thing (okay, it is an ego thing), but men do very genuinely care about how much pleasure a woman is having in bed. That's why the faking thing drives men so crazy. To men, feigned pleasure is code for: You're so damn terrible at this, but there there, little fella, I'm gonna make you feel good about your inadequate self. Men want to know what women want, and they want to be successful in delivering it.

#7 Not being a god to his kids. There comes a time when men don't care much about what strangers, co-workers, friends, in-laws, or anybody else thinks about them. But when a kid articulates his father's flaws, it's the ultimate heart crumbler. Men know that sometimes they work too much or are too short-fused or simply fall short on the hero-dad meter, but deep down, they know it's the most important job that they're going to do. And if they don't do it right, they know there's a significant chink in their masculine armor.

#6 Living paycheck to paycheck. Even though men aren't the only hunters and providers anymore, they still feel a deep evolutionary pull to provide the backbone and protection for their tribe. When men lose money, can't make enough money, or are scrounging for money, it can be an emotional disaster-it makes them feel like they're losing control in their lives.

#5 Beautiful women. Few things intimidate men more than IRS audits and 12-foot birdie putts. A beautiful woman is one of them. A beautiful woman-whether spotted at work, in bookstores, driving in the next lane, anywhere-simply has the power to turn a man of steel into creamed corn. Men know this. Men try to resist this. Ultimately, it's a challenge. Beauty may be a short-lived form of power, but it is profound, and nearly all men cower before it. It can make them do really, really stupid things.

#4 Getting naked. Ladies shouldn't think that they're alone in fleshy hang-ups. Guys are just as concerned about what women will initially think about their body hair, muscles, guts, toes, and other parts. Men are deeply aware that they can be too fat, too skinny, too hairy, too smelly, and while men are eager to revel in a woman's body, they also share anxiety about revealing their own.

#3 Tofurky.

#2 Not seeing his kids grow up. Death, of course, scares everyone-not so much for the bad stuff that may happen to them, but for missing out on all the good stuff that will happen to their kids. Or, worse yet, not being around to protect them from the bad stuff.

# 1 Public humiliation. Here's one that will make even the strongest men cave: Looking weak. Whether a man is extremely secure-or insanely insecure-about himself, he's worries that he'll look incompetent, idiotic, or both. Doesn't matter whether it's a zipper malfunction, an off-color joke he mistakenly slips in during a speech, a dismissive statement by a boss in a department meeting, fumbling the fly ball at a softball game, getting arrested for fighting after his kid's soccer game, whatever. It's one thing to make mistakes. But making the reputation-damaging ones in public is tough to take. That's because as much as men try to protect their homes, their families, their appearance, and their jobs, perhaps the most nerve-wracking job of all is protecting the thing they can't cure with money, with effort or with laser hair removal: their reputations.

What secretly scares you? Fess up and share it here.

Iceaxe
02-21-2007, 04:31 PM
That my girlfriend and wife will someday meet. :2thumbs:

savanna3313
02-21-2007, 04:35 PM
Lorena Bobbitt

JP
02-21-2007, 04:40 PM
Fess up and share it here.
#15

accadacca
02-21-2007, 04:41 PM
Wilma's Legz... :naughty:

Udink
02-21-2007, 04:51 PM
Wilma's Legz... :naughty:
You mean these?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/Legs.jpg/300px-Legs.jpg

:naughty:

tanya
02-21-2007, 04:53 PM
That my girlfriend and wife will someday meet. :2thumbs:


:roflol: :roflol: :roflol: :roflol:

I thought you had total control..... so you could flaunt your girl (or in your case, Alex) in front of your wife and she would never care. :lol8:

tanya
02-21-2007, 04:55 PM
Wilma's Legz... :naughty:
You mean these?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/Legs.jpg/300px-Legs.jpg

:naughty:


Look at that! Her legs are famous! They are on Wikipedia :mrgreen:

tanya
02-21-2007, 04:59 PM
[quote=Wilma] Fess up and share it here.
#15

Scott P
02-21-2007, 05:00 PM
What secretly scares you? Fess up and share it here.

I think the original list in the first post is for mostly single guys.

Personally my scariest moments involve changing dirty diapers, wiping kid boogers, wipings kids bottoms, etc.

Oh, and my female side is terrified of getting fat(ter). I hate being the fattest one on a climbing trip.

I also am afraid to get old.

DirkHammergate
02-21-2007, 05:28 PM
3) Getting shot by your Ex-Wife....
2) Getting shot by your ex-girl-friend
1) Getting shot by the crack whore you just pimped out.

I really don't have any other real fears.

Cirrus2000
02-21-2007, 05:43 PM
For me, losing my medical is one of my biggest fears. In order to work, I get a medical every 12 months, and if I don't pass it, I can't work. Then I'd have to find a real job. With my unique lack of talent, useful abilities and drive, that would be tough (though the company funds career change training)...

Only 16 more medicals to pass 'til retirement.

Death only worries me insofar as how it will affect my wife and kids. I've got a fair bit of insurance, though, so that will help somewhat (though I think they'd likely miss me, if I were gone).

Other than that? Heights scare me, if I don't have a rope on. And spiders.

Getting old - not so much, except for how it impacts on the first paragraph above.

Public humiliation - over it. I'm hard to embarrass and I don't give a damn what people think of me - pretty comfortable in who and what I am. Though I don't like being misunderstood over the internets. It's so easy to have things taken the wrong way. :ne_nau:

Rev. Coyote
02-21-2007, 06:29 PM
#10 His dad's death. It's his most powerful moment of a reflection, as he thinks about his own mortality. Becoming the family patriarch is heavy stuff. For many men, it's a life-changing moment, because they think about what their fathers did for them and what they failed to do. The next step: Considering what they need to do to be better dads and better men themselves--which means they must confront their own failures, as well. That's a lot for a grief-stricken man to deal with. He should get some latitude to do that in his own way. For him, reaching out may be through what seem like misdirections--more chatter about fishing with friends, an extra set of tickets to the Phillies showdown with the Mets. But guys need a reason to get together; the talk will come during a slow point in the 6th inning, or in the car on the way home.

When my Dad died I lost my best friend. Nonsense like "becoming the family patriarch" or "confronting my failures" never entered the picture. What entered was a crushing sorrow and profound loss. I could go on about the glib sexist sports analogies in this post, but I'll leave it right where it is.

tanya
02-21-2007, 06:45 PM
What secretly scares you? Fess up and share it here.

I think the original list in the first post is for mostly single guys.

Personally my scariest moments involve changing dirty diapers, wiping kid boogers, wipings kids bottoms, etc.

Oh, and my female side is terrified of getting fat(ter). I hate being the fattest one on a climbing trip.

I also am afraid to get old.


Mother's are so protective of their kids. I assume its the same for me. I even have nightmares of being in the situation where I have to protect them.... and I have 5 so that's a lot of protecting. Now I have 4 grandkids too that I feel the need to protect!

You are not fat SCOTT! You look great!!!!

tanya
02-21-2007, 06:46 PM
3) Getting shot by your Ex-Wife....
2) Getting shot by your ex-girl-friend
1) Getting shot by the crack whore you just pimped out.

I really don't have any other real fears.


Come on Dirk. Tell us what's real!

DirkHammergate
02-21-2007, 09:03 PM
Come on Dirk. Tell us what's real!

Ok, fine, the fear of not seeing my two boys much as I'd like, not being free to take them camping, fishing, hiking, golfing, or anything outdoors when we damn well please to do. That basically covers my fears, all that other crap I can deal with in pimp-style fashion.

tanya
02-21-2007, 09:05 PM
Come on Dirk. Tell us what's real!

Ok, fine, the fear of not seeing my two boys much as I'd like, not being free to take them camping, fishing, hiking, golfing, or anything outdoors when we damn well please to do. That basically covers my fears, all that other crap I can deal with in pimp-style fashion.


That is what I thought you might say. :five:

JP
02-21-2007, 09:35 PM
But you should fear Speedos! Bad things! Never wear those!
Yes, any man in Speedos I would fear :roflol:



What entered was a crushing sorrow and profound loss.
I understand that COMPLETELY!!

moabfool
02-22-2007, 11:41 AM
I've got four things that drive fear into the hearts of men in no particular order.

1) Can we talk?

Say yes and you're Aaron Ralston in that slot canyon. The only way to get loose is to cut your own arm off. The difference between Mr. Ralston's plight and this one? Slot canyons can't follow you around. The problem is exacerbated when you're doing something like replacing a clutch or installing a swamp cooler. "Not now honey. I've got a transmission on my chest," is not a good enough reason to get out of discussing the paint scheme in the bathroom. Decline the request and trouble is sure to follow.

2) What are you thinking?

You may be thinking about your car's maintenance schedule or how bad your team did the night before or how you wish the remote was 2" closer. Any answer other than "...How much I love you..." is treason. You may as well be thinking about spending quality time with the hottie of the week. You'll get in just as much trouble.

3) "Special" days. Yes, we remember the date of your birthday, Valentines Day, our anniversary, etc.... What we don't remember is that that day and today are the same day. You scheduled your mother's birthday party for the same day as the Daytona 500. We all forget important dates from time to time.

4) The requisite gift for #3. It's okay to buy us tools for Father's Day or Birthday. Why can't we buy you a blender? Subtle hints don't work. Strong hints don't work. Tell us what you want. We don't love you less because we don't know what you'd like. If you give us five or six options you'll still be surprised. The surprise may even be that you get all five or six.

On a lesser scale, honey do's. Some outrageous and downright pointless projects come from the female mind. We do not enjoy lugging sofas up and down stairs just to see how they look.

greyhair biker
02-22-2007, 01:42 PM
You probably think you know what frightens most men. A long-weekend at the in-laws' place. Antiquing. Running out of beer in the third quarter. But that's just the stuff he'll admit to being afraid of, which, by definition, means they're not his true deep fears. So how can you determine what those are? Easy: They're the ones he'll almost never talk about. But I will.

Let's count down through the Scary Fifteen:

#15 Hair in the drain. The first sign of male pattern baldness brings a man face-to-follicle with a skimpy aspect of his future. And it's always earlier than he expects or wants (which is, like, never). Logically, men know that baldness is as much of a part of life as Leno making Britney jokes. Logically, men know that being bald doesn't mean that they're any less smart, virile, or successful. Logically, men know that women don't care how much hair their men have. Logically, men know there are plenty of bald men who are comfortable in their skin--no matter how much of it they're showing. But when it first happens, it feels like stepping on a scale and being 20 pounds heavier or waking up in high school with a quarter-sized nose pimple. It's the inevitable and uncontrollable change in appearance that men try so desperately to protect. Maybe even more importantly, this moment when a man starts losing his hair says a lot about him-whether he's cool enough to handle it, or anxious enough to attempt to deny it with combovers, Rogaine, or faith healers.

#14 Getting caught noticing another woman. A man's instinctual response to visual stimulation very rarely has anything to do with his current relationship or how he feels about it. But his lizard brain reacts instantly, and before he knows he's doing it, he's looking at someone else. We hate having to explain behaviors that even we don't fully understand.

#13 Rejection. Doesn't matter whether it happens after a job interview, or at a bar, or on the basketball court. And remember, there's a difference between losing and being outright rejected. Men can handle losing a game or having a bar conversation disintegrate into nothing. But the proud creatures that men are, they hate having their shots blocked. Mainly, that's because it means that someone else has the upper hand-and is gloating about it.

#12 Super Nanny.

#11 Speedos.

#10 His dad's death. It's his most powerful moment of a reflection, as he thinks about his own mortality. Becoming the family patriarch is heavy stuff. For many men, it's a life-changing moment, because they think about what their fathers did for them and what they failed to do. The next step: Considering what they need to do to be better dads and better men themselves--which means they must confront their own failures, as well. That's a lot for a grief-stricken man to deal with. He should get some latitude to do that in his own way. For him, reaching out may be through what seem like misdirections--more chatter about fishing with friends, an extra set of tickets to the Phillies showdown with the Mets. But guys need a reason to get together; the talk will come during a slow point in the 6th inning, or in the car on the way home.

#9 Her tears. Men know it's natural, that women need to do it, and that it's a signal that they better provide something more than just a tissue-even though many men have no clue what that something might be. Men have been told that women cry for all kinds of reasons-to release some emotions, to get our attention, or just because dammit, The Bachelor rose ceremony is so stinkin' sad. Men want to do the right thing, but because men don't navigate those falling waters very often, they probably do the wrong thing more often than not. Which is another reason why they fear her emotional tsunami.

#8 Being a lousy lover. Of all the things that men want to happen in bed, pleasing their women ranks near the top of the list, according to a national Men, Love, and Sex survey by Harris Interactive. Men hate to think that women may be bored, unimpressed, or unsatisfied. Maybe it's an ego thing (okay, it is an ego thing), but men do very genuinely care about how much pleasure a woman is having in bed. That's why the faking thing drives men so crazy. To men, feigned pleasure is code for: You're so damn terrible at this, but there there, little fella, I'm gonna make you feel good about your inadequate self. Men want to know what women want, and they want to be successful in delivering it.

#7 Not being a god to his kids. There comes a time when men don't care much about what strangers, co-workers, friends, in-laws, or anybody else thinks about them. But when a kid articulates his father's flaws, it's the ultimate heart crumbler. Men know that sometimes they work too much or are too short-fused or simply fall short on the hero-dad meter, but deep down, they know it's the most important job that they're going to do. And if they don't do it right, they know there's a significant chink in their masculine armor.

#6 Living paycheck to paycheck. Even though men aren't the only hunters and providers anymore, they still feel a deep evolutionary pull to provide the backbone and protection for their tribe. When men lose money, can't make enough money, or are scrounging for money, it can be an emotional disaster-it makes them feel like they're losing control in their lives.

#5 Beautiful women. Few things intimidate men more than IRS audits and 12-foot birdie putts. A beautiful woman is one of them. A beautiful woman-whether spotted at work, in bookstores, driving in the next lane, anywhere-simply has the power to turn a man of steel into creamed corn. Men know this. Men try to resist this. Ultimately, it's a challenge. Beauty may be a short-lived form of power, but it is profound, and nearly all men cower before it. It can make them do really, really stupid things.

#4 Getting naked. Ladies shouldn't think that they're alone in fleshy hang-ups. Guys are just as concerned about what women will initially think about their body hair, muscles, guts, toes, and other parts. Men are deeply aware that they can be too fat, too skinny, too hairy, too smelly, and while men are eager to revel in a woman's body, they also share anxiety about revealing their own.

#3 Tofurky.

#2 Not seeing his kids grow up. Death, of course, scares everyone-not so much for the bad stuff that may happen to them, but for missing out on all the good stuff that will happen to their kids. Or, worse yet, not being around to protect them from the bad stuff.

# 1 Public humiliation. Here's one that will make even the strongest men cave: Looking weak. Whether a man is extremely secure-or insanely insecure-about himself, he's worries that he'll look incompetent, idiotic, or both. Doesn't matter whether it's a zipper malfunction, an off-color joke he mistakenly slips in during a speech, a dismissive statement by a boss in a department meeting, fumbling the fly ball at a softball game, getting arrested for fighting after his kid's soccer game, whatever. It's one thing to make mistakes. But making the reputation-damaging ones in public is tough to take. That's because as much as men try to protect their homes, their families, their appearance, and their jobs, perhaps the most nerve-wracking job of all is protecting the thing they can't cure with money, with effort or with laser hair removal: their reputations.

What secretly scares you? Fess up and share it here.
#15 - no bald men in my family...at all...but we all started to go grey the minute we graduated from highschool....not a problem :lol8:
#14 - I get caught all the time noticing other women...I dont 'oggle' but a guy cant help look...if its gonna make ya mad then its gonna make ya mad - we are sorry, we are men. BUT,and this is where lots of men fall short, the woman you are with IS the woman in your universe at the time, no matter how you may secretly feel...make THAT mistake and youre screwed.
#13 - there is no one that doesnt fear rejection from time to time - no exeptions - but some of us learn to deal with it more cause we go THROUGH it better.
#12 - Im the DAD - THAT"S my job and I love it!
#11 - I own speedos. I like em' I can deal with it - and I can wear em' I rarely do in public, at least I WILL spare the general populace...like spandex, which I also own, they are a right and not a priviledge :lol8:
#10 - I dont like the idea of my Dad dying...I love him dearly, but we believe in a life after death and I will see him again. It will take time to get through the grief but we WILL. I have lost many very close relatives and it is never easy. and yes, I am the oldest sibling...I will have to deal with it.
#9 - when a woman that I am close to cries and I feel for her I will not make it without crying myself. I hold her close and feel her pain and if I can help her through it I will. I am an emotional guy...deal with it, I have to. :haha:
#8 - Im sorry if you dont belive this but I have no trouble here :ne_nau:
#7 - I am not a god - my kids know that, I have done stuff...nuff said, and my teenagers know it...not everything of course but enough for them to know I am human. but I . like any man =, want and need the respect of their children, yes, this is a fear for me - to let down my boys opinion of me. they love me and I know it.
#6 -yeah, I have a need to 'provide' and HATE living paycheck to paycheck...this falls into the fear of failure category....which is why we tend to feel like we need to work so much to give the family the things we feel they need.
# 5 -I LOVE beautiul women...I talk to EVERYONE, no surrpise there. I am a social magnet :lol8: prolly why I get into trouble ...Ill leave it at that :ne_nau:
#4 -Naked???you dont know me very well do you :roflol: and I shower with about 50 guys at a time - AT WORK...yeah, I am a closet nudist :mrgreen:
#3 -I will eat ANYTHING
#2 -I dont like the idea of getting old... mostly, of not being able to function when I actually DO get old...my motto has been for years that if I cant do a thing just take me out and shoot me in the head...that was a joke....'Better to burn out than to fade away'
#1 -Public humiliation...very true, but if you cant laugh at yourself who ya gonna laugh about really :lol8:

Iceaxe
02-22-2007, 03:18 PM
What secretly scares you? Fess up and share it here.

While playing nakid twister I will accidently cross swords with anther man.

:lol8:

greyhair biker
02-22-2007, 03:30 PM
What secretly scares you? Fess up and share it here.

While playing nakid twister I will accidently cross swords with anther man.

:lol8:
:roflol: :roflol: :nono: :roflol: Hey, youve been in the lockerroom at my work havent you! :bootyshake:

greyhair biker
02-23-2007, 08:30 PM
Wilma, I dont remember welcoming you to the site, but welcome! I hope my remarks havent offended you too much. Ya gotta take us with a grain of salt sometimes :haha:

nefarious
02-24-2007, 10:42 PM
I gave this one some thought before responding. I can't speak for all men but only to my own experience, which I assume is similar in a lot of respects to that of most males.

For me, "true deep fears" don't exist and fear is pretty much limited to things that are tangible. I don't fear things like; God, the future, or death, none of those things can be described except as ambiguous statements of faith. I need a clear picture of something before I can be afraid of it. Therefore, most of the "Scary 15" aren't really scary at all, not to me, and probably not to most men.

I'm afraid of things that present immediate danger, like heights or slick roads, and experience has validated those fears. Nobody should look to men and expect "deepness," as a general rule, most of us are all about the here and now or things that are easily recognizable as "real."

DiscGo
02-25-2007, 07:02 AM
I felt like Rev's fear was probably the most honest and legitimate. My fear might sound contrite, but I can't stress the anxiety I feel upon thinking about going to the dentist. The dentist is the only fear that I have not been able to overcome in my life.

Rev. Coyote
02-25-2007, 07:05 AM
I felt like Rev's fear was probably the most honest and legitimate. My fear might sound contrite, but I can't stress the anxiety I feel upon thinking about going to the dentist. The dentist is the only fear that I have not been able to overcome in my life.

Take one Ativan before you go. Usually the dentist will supply you.

Wilma
02-25-2007, 07:36 AM
I like all the answers so far. I have a few more things for you men to ponder.


What Scares European Men?

It has always been believed that men are fearless. And if they do fear something, it is nothing but their sexual weakness or difficulties in a relationship with a woman. Maybe it used to be true. But the present time has changed the roles of sexes so much, that modern men acquired fears and complexes which their women could never think of. A German psychologist Uwe Deniz enumerates 10 most common reasons for men's fears.

1. FEAR OF A BOSSY WOMAN

Earlier this phenomena was rather rare, as there were not many women who would hold leading positions. But now no less than one third of men have a sad experience of working for a woman boss, and can easily deprive men of their confidence and cause an inferiority complex.

2.FEAR TO BE DISMISSED

Since women got the opportunity to become a certified specialists, many men worry that ladies may be preferred by an employer in getting a job or promotion.

3.FEAR OF BEING LEFT

If women feel a relief after a divorce, men seem to lose ground under their feet.

4.FEAR FOR THEIR FIT

If earlier women pretended to turn their attention away, now they do not hide their looking at a man directly. The latter, being vain, can be really scared. That is why a normal women's wish to keep fit by all sorts of diets and exercises can become a real mania in a man's mind.

5.FEAR OF COMMERCIALS

Not so long ago, turning their TV men would expect to see pretty ladies in transparent clothes. Today the commercials show more of their rivals who seem to be more attractive and fit. Many men fear that having watched the commercials, their wives will begin to dream of something similar, and will be unsatisfied with their overweight and lazy husbands.

6.FEAR OF BEING UNCAPABLE OF THE SECOND ORGASM

Only few men believe that one orgasm is enough for women. The majority think that women expect more than they can give while making love.

7.FEAR OF WOMEN WITH A STRONG CHARACTER

During many centuries no one doubted that a man is an ideal creature, the strongest and the cleverest, and if men meet a strong, decisive and powerful woman in their life, they just retreat.

8. FEAR FOR LOSING

Earlier women could not object, but now it is not always a man who wins a bet. 68% fear that women's reasons may be more convincing.

9.FEAR FOR LIVING ON A WIFE'S EXPENSES

Many men fear that their wife will earn more or will receive a higher pension.

10. AND AT LAST, FEAR OF A STRONG RELATIONSHIP

They fear that having become a husband, they may get trapped without any way out.

DiscGo
02-25-2007, 07:50 AM
Take one Ativan before you go. Usually the dentist will supply you.


The last time I went, I took a Valium before I went and it did not seem to do anything for me. I am either going to lose all my teeth or I'm going to need to go to one of those dentists that knock you out to work on you.

Cirrus2000
02-25-2007, 08:23 AM
I like all the answers so far. I have a few more things for you men to ponder...
Wow, some of these are becoming really silly. I'm thinking this list is the Top 10 Fears of Shallow And/Or Insecure Men.

And DiscGo, as one of your biggest fans (it's true - check Facebook), I think we all really need to work on getting you over your irrational fear of dentists!

Rev. Coyote
02-25-2007, 08:41 AM
I though of another: Heavy seas. The most fear I ever experienced was piloting a 34-foot boat through waves that were breaking over the bow. The experience lasted 2 and a half hours. Port never looked so good, and beer was never sweeter. I slept like a dead person that night on board.

There's nowhere to go but another part of the boat. And leaving the helm is NOT an option.

savanna3313
02-25-2007, 08:49 AM
Take one Ativan before you go. Usually the dentist will supply you.


The last time I went, I took a Valium before I went and it did not seem to do anything for me. I am either going to lose all my teeth or I'm going to need to go to one of those dentists that knock you out to work on you.


I can identify with this one. :nod: I was lucky that I didn't have my first cavity until I was 25. But I knew that I was going to get a shot and have that tooth drilled when I got into the dentist. I was scared to death and a friend recommended her dentist to me because he was extremely gentle and patient. There I sat, shaking like a leaf when he came in. He just smiled at me, patted my arm and told me it's ok......not to worry, he wouldn't hurt me. He was great and it didn't hurt, and he didn't have to use sedation on me either. :haha: I still see him for check ups when I visit back home.

Bottom line - you just need to find the RIGHT dentist - one in the phone book that advertises "We Cater to Cowards" or such. They will be happy to knock you out during your visit. :chairshot:

Wilma
02-25-2007, 09:27 AM
Wilma, I dont remember welcoming you to the site, but welcome! I hope my remarks havent offended you too much. Ya gotta take us with a grain of salt sometimes :haha:

Have you ever missed giving any woman a welcome? No worries Mate. Men don't intimidate me.

Wilma
02-25-2007, 09:28 AM
What secretly scares you? Fess up and share it here.

While playing nakid twister I will accidently cross swords with anther man.

:lol8:

Have photos of that?

Wilma
02-25-2007, 09:33 AM
I gave this one some thought before responding. I can't speak for all men but only to my own experience, which I assume is similar in a lot of respects to that of most males.

For me, "true deep fears" don't exist and fear is pretty much limited to things that are tangible. I don't fear things like; God, the future, or death, none of those things can be described except as ambiguous statements of faith. I need a clear picture of something before I can be afraid of it. Therefore, most of the "Scary 15" aren't really scary at all, not to me, and probably not to most men.

I'm afraid of things that present immediate danger, like heights or slick roads, and experience has validated those fears. Nobody should look to men and expect "deepness," as a general rule, most of us are all about the here and now or things that are easily recognizable as "real."

Immediate dangers are something that men and women both fear. So tis true that the "scarey 15" are not scarey, but they are things men would rather not happen. I must argue however about the issue of deepness. As much as I try to keep a conversation on nothing but sex, some men just want to go deeper into our feelings. Perhaps you are not willing to confess there is a real deepness to you?

Wilma
02-25-2007, 09:41 AM
#15 - no bald men in my family...at all...but we all started to go grey the minute we graduated from highschool....not a problem :lol8:
#14 - I get caught all the time noticing other women...I dont 'oggle' but a guy cant help look...if its gonna make ya mad then its gonna make ya mad - we are sorry, we are men. BUT,and this is where lots of men fall short, the woman you are with IS the woman in your universe at the time, no matter how you may secretly feel...make THAT mistake and youre screwed.
#13 - there is no one that doesnt fear rejection from time to time - no exeptions - but some of us learn to deal with it more cause we go THROUGH it better.
#12 - Im the DAD - THAT"S my job and I love it!
#11 - I own speedos. I like em' I can deal with it - and I can wear em' I rarely do in public, at least I WILL spare the general populace...like spandex, which I also own, they are a right and not a priviledge :lol8:
#10 - I dont like the idea of my Dad dying...I love him dearly, but we believe in a life after death and I will see him again. It will take time to get through the grief but we WILL. I have lost many very close relatives and it is never easy. and yes, I am the oldest sibling...I will have to deal with it.
#9 - when a woman that I am close to cries and I feel for her I will not make it without crying myself. I hold her close and feel her pain and if I can help her through it I will. I am an emotional guy...deal with it, I have to. :haha:
#8 - Im sorry if you dont belive this but I have no trouble here :ne_nau:
#7 - I am not a god - my kids know that, I have done stuff...nuff said, and my teenagers know it...not everything of course but enough for them to know I am human. but I . like any man =, want and need the respect of their children, yes, this is a fear for me - to let down my boys opinion of me. they love me and I know it.
#6 -yeah, I have a need to 'provide' and HATE living paycheck to paycheck...this falls into the fear of failure category....which is why we tend to feel like we need to work so much to give the family the things we feel they need.
# 5 -I LOVE beautiul women...I talk to EVERYONE, no surrpise there. I am a social magnet :lol8: prolly why I get into trouble ...Ill leave it at that :ne_nau:
#4 -Naked???you dont know me very well do you :roflol: and I shower with about 50 guys at a time - AT WORK...yeah, I am a closet nudist :mrgreen:
#3 -I will eat ANYTHING
#2 -I dont like the idea of getting old... mostly, of not being able to function when I actually DO get old...my motto has been for years that if I cant do a thing just take me out and shoot me in the head...that was a joke....'Better to burn out than to fade away'
#1 -Public humiliation...very true, but if you cant laugh at yourself who ya gonna laugh about really :lol8:

Women look too, but we are not so obvious and crude as are men. Are men really all that different from women. Women want sex as much as any man, but some feel they have to play dumb games of cat and mouse before they give in. I think you are the danm the torpedos type and just go for it. Just where are you wearin' those speedos my dear? Why not in public since you are a closet nudist? Does your wife like them or does she just prefer you go nude? I think we all know you love all women from how you talk. No secret there. We believe you of course on the performance issue. I doubt you are the type to fade away.

Wilma
02-25-2007, 09:45 AM
I've got four things that drive fear into the hearts of men in no particular order.

1) Can we talk?

Say yes and you're Aaron Ralston in that slot canyon. The only way to get loose is to cut your own arm off. The difference between Mr. Ralston's plight and this one? Slot canyons can't follow you around. The problem is exacerbated when you're doing something like replacing a clutch or installing a swamp cooler. "Not now honey. I've got a transmission on my chest," is not a good enough reason to get out of discussing the paint scheme in the bathroom. Decline the request and trouble is sure to follow.

2) What are you thinking?

You may be thinking about your car's maintenance schedule or how bad your team did the night before or how you wish the remote was 2" closer. Any answer other than "...How much I love you..." is treason. You may as well be thinking about spending quality time with the hottie of the week. You'll get in just as much trouble.

3) "Special" days. Yes, we remember the date of your birthday, Valentines Day, our anniversary, etc.... What we don't remember is that that day and today are the same day. You scheduled your mother's birthday party for the same day as the Daytona 500. We all forget important dates from time to time.

4) The requisite gift for #3. It's okay to buy us tools for Father's Day or Birthday. Why can't we buy you a blender? Subtle hints don't work. Strong hints don't work. Tell us what you want. We don't love you less because we don't know what you'd like. If you give us five or six options you'll still be surprised. The surprise may even be that you get all five or six.

On a lesser scale, honey do's. Some outrageous and downright pointless projects come from the female mind. We do not enjoy lugging sofas up and down stairs just to see how they look.

I agree. Forgo the talking and thinking, it just rubs dirt in a wound and brings up stuff that does not need to be brought up. Don't expect many of us women to remember either. Remind us the day before (sometimes that day) or don't feel bad if we forget. We want something personal that tells you how you feel about us. Period! A gift is a time to express that. I hope your woman would do the same for you and not buy you tools.

Wilma
02-25-2007, 09:47 AM
I though of another: Heavy seas. The most fear I ever experienced was piloting a 34-foot boat through waves that were breaking over the bow. The experience lasted 2 and a half hours. Port never looked so good, and beer was never sweeter. I slept like a dead person that night on board.

There's nowhere to go but another part of the boat. And leaving the helm is NOT an option.

Heavy seas would scare me too, but I would have no fear of ever going bald. Just watchin' the Guardian sent severe chills through my body.

Rev. Coyote
02-25-2007, 09:58 AM
I though of another: Heavy seas. The most fear I ever experienced was piloting a 34-foot boat through waves that were breaking over the bow. The experience lasted 2 and a half hours. Port never looked so good, and beer was never sweeter. I slept like a dead person that night on board.

There's nowhere to go but another part of the boat. And leaving the helm is NOT an option.

Heavy seas would scare me too, but I would have no fear of ever going bald. Just watchin' the Guardian sent severe chills through my body.


I'm not afraid of being balled.

DAA
02-25-2007, 10:32 AM
3) Getting shot by your Ex-Wife....
2) Getting shot by your ex-girl-friend
1) Getting shot by the crack whore you just pimped out.

I really don't have any other real fears.

In 1990 an ex-girlfriend made a serious attempt on my life. She ran my ass over, with the car I had bought her, while I was standing in front of my house... A few weeks later, she broke in to my house and stole my dog (note - she had left HER dog and HER two cats with me and never even asked about them...). THAT hurt and pissed me off a lot more than trying to kill me (which seemed almost logical, at the time...). A couple months later she drove past me in downtown SLC, with my dog in her car. I was in my old pickup, which already had a bunch of dents in it, so I slammed into her and forced her off the road and got my dog back.

A couple years later she ended up in prison for killing somebody else. Then she escaped. Then she got caught and went back. Now she's served her time and is out again. She still looks really good :mrgreen: .

She did scare me a little bit. Anyone that would steal your dog, is capable of doing anything.

- DAA

Rev. Coyote
02-25-2007, 10:35 AM
3) Getting shot by your Ex-Wife....
2) Getting shot by your ex-girl-friend
1) Getting shot by the crack whore you just pimped out.

I really don't have any other real fears.

In 1990 an ex-girlfriend made a serious attempt on my life. She ran my ass over, with the car I had bought her, while I was standing in front of my house... A few weeks later, she broke in to my house and stole my dog (note - she had left HER dog and HER two cats with me and never even asked about them...). THAT hurt and pissed me off a lot more than trying to kill me (which seemed almost logical, at the time...). A couple months later she drove past me in downtown SLC, with my dog in her car. I was in my old pickup, which already had a bunch of dents in it, so I slammed into her and forced her off the road and got my dog back.

A couple years later she ended up in prison for killing somebody else. Then she escaped. Then she got caught and went back. Now she's served her time and is out again. She still looks really good :mrgreen: .

She did scare me a little bit. Anyone that would steal your dog, is capable of doing anything.

- DAA


So you guys did violence on each other. That's nice. Nicer than killing coyotes.

accadacca
02-25-2007, 10:47 AM
She did scare me a little bit. Anyone that would steal your dog, is capable of doing anything.

- DAA
Ah hell no... :nono: You gotta make sure the dawg is in the prenup. :lol8: Now thats a helluva a story bro. :popcorn:

DirkHammergate
02-25-2007, 11:53 AM
3) Getting shot by your Ex-Wife....
2) Getting shot by your ex-girl-friend
1) Getting shot by the crack whore you just pimped out.

I really don't have any other real fears.

In 1990 an ex-girlfriend made a serious attempt on my life. She ran my ass over, with the car I had bought her, while I was standing in front of my house... A few weeks later, she broke in to my house and stole my dog (note - she had left HER dog and HER two cats with me and never even asked about them...). THAT hurt and pissed me off a lot more than trying to kill me (which seemed almost logical, at the time...). A couple months later she drove past me in downtown SLC, with my dog in her car. I was in my old pickup, which already had a bunch of dents in it, so I slammed into her and forced her off the road and got my dog back.

A couple years later she ended up in prison for killing somebody else. Then she escaped. Then she got caught and went back. Now she's served her time and is out again. She still looks really good :mrgreen: .

She did scare me a little bit. Anyone that would steal your dog, is capable of doing anything.

- DAA

What kills me the most is my Dog and Cat being in her possession, my Dog is just confused as hell cause he's seriously ignored now, we actually had two dogs and one mysteriously ran away. I wasn't informed for two weeks and I did the whole shelter, pound calling and searching.

I'd never ever suspect her of violence but her decision making has been baffling, its like she's on Drugs or been hit with a Crazy stick.

Wilma
02-25-2007, 12:24 PM
3) Getting shot by your Ex-Wife....
2) Getting shot by your ex-girl-friend
1) Getting shot by the crack whore you just pimped out.

I really don't have any other real fears.

In 1990 an ex-girlfriend made a serious attempt on my life. She ran my ass over, with the car I had bought her, while I was standing in front of my house... A few weeks later, she broke in to my house and stole my dog (note - she had left HER dog and HER two cats with me and never even asked about them...). THAT hurt and pissed me off a lot more than trying to kill me (which seemed almost logical, at the time...). A couple months later she drove past me in downtown SLC, with my dog in her car. I was in my old pickup, which already had a bunch of dents in it, so I slammed into her and forced her off the road and got my dog back.

A couple years later she ended up in prison for killing somebody else. Then she escaped. Then she got caught and went back. Now she's served her time and is out again. She still looks really good :mrgreen: .

She did scare me a little bit. Anyone that would steal your dog, is capable of doing anything.

- DAA

What kills me the most is my Dog and Cat being in her possession, my Dog is just confused as hell cause he's seriously ignored now, we actually had two dogs and one mysteriously ran away. I wasn't informed for two weeks and I did the whole shelter, pound calling and searching.

I'd never ever suspect her of violence but her decision making has been baffling, its like she's on Drugs or been hit with a Crazy stick.

I am willing to bet it is because she is still in love with you and does not know how to let go. She wants attention from you. Emotions seem so crazy unless we know the real reason behind them. It's often not what it appears to be.

nefarious
02-25-2007, 02:05 PM
Immediate dangers are something that men and women both fear. So tis true that the "scarey 15" are not scarey, but they are things men would rather not happen.I guess we see eye to eye on this after all. By the way, is scarey more frightening than scary? I'm not being a wise ass here, it's just something I've wondered about.

I must argue however about the issue of deepness. As much as I try to keep a conversation on nothing but sex, some men just want to go deeper into our feelings. Perhaps you are not willing to confess there is a real deepness to you?Nah, I'm just a product of evolution; a barely out-of-the-cave biped who is even more slack-jawed than your average cave man. I don't do philosophy or ponder the nature of reality much beyond the immediate perceptions granted to a monkey. :slobber:

I do appreaciate your leaving me an out on this, but it's easier to admit the truth right up front. That way I don't have to maintain a tiring charade of "deepness." :mrgreen:

denaliguide
02-25-2007, 02:07 PM
what scares me most is when i ask "what's wrong" and she says "NOTHING!". like i'm supposed to be a mind reader or something.

Wilma
02-25-2007, 02:13 PM
what scares me most is when i ask "what's wrong" and she says "NOTHING!". like i'm supposed to be a mind reader or something.

This is simple. She is upset but in many ways embarrased she is upset. She just wants you to not do what upset her and more she wants you to now make her feel better that you upset her but not make her feel like she is upset. It's probably about emotions. So yes, read her mind. You know her. What always upsets her? It's probably the same thing most of the time.

Wilma
02-25-2007, 02:19 PM
Immediate dangers are something that men and women both fear. So tis true that the "scarey 15" are not scarey, but they are things men would rather not happen.I guess we see eye to eye on this after all. By the way, is scarey more frightening than scary? I'm not being a wise ass here, it's just something I've wondered about.

I must argue however about the issue of deepness. As much as I try to keep a conversation on nothing but sex, some men just want to go deeper into our feelings. Perhaps you are not willing to confess there is a real deepness to you?Nah, I'm just a product of evolution; a barely out-of-the-cave biped who is even more slack-jawed than your average cave man. I don't do philosophy or ponder the nature of reality much beyond the immediate perceptions granted to a monkey. :slobber:

I do appreaciate your leaving me an out on this, but it's easier to admit the truth right up front. That way I don't have to maintain a tiring charade of "deepness." :mrgreen:

"By the way, is scarey more frightening than scary?"

Good question, but I suppose I tend to interchange them.

So you are like Iceaxe?

accadacca
02-25-2007, 04:48 PM
What Scares a Man?
Shania Twain...:slobber1:
http://www.hinorthvancouver.com/shania_twain.jpg

JP
02-25-2007, 05:19 PM
Shania Twain...:slobber1:
I agree :2thumbs:

http://www.entwagon.com/celeb/Shania_Twain/images/shania_twain09.jpg

Wilma
02-25-2007, 05:26 PM
I can't compare, but it's good to know what a man wants.

Rev. Coyote
02-25-2007, 05:29 PM
I can't compare, but it's good to know what a man wants.


I dunno, the plastic Barbie types do very little for me...


...plus, her "music" could peel paint.

JP
02-25-2007, 05:31 PM
I can't compare, but it's good to know what a man wants.
I don't think it has to do with comparing. Like with anyone, there are things that only dreams are made of. Male or female we all can dream, but it doesn't mean what we have in reality is second best. I don't know if that made any sense :ne_nau:

accadacca
02-25-2007, 05:51 PM
...plus, her "music" could peel paint.
Yeah true...I just hit mute...volume is not needed. :cool2:

Did you know that she is married to John "Mutt" Lange?

Wilma
02-25-2007, 06:21 PM
It's different with wimmin', we don't lust after the traditional hot model types. We go for the real men.

Rev. Coyote
02-25-2007, 06:33 PM
It's different with wimmin', we don't lust after the traditional hot model types. We go for the real men.


Some of you do, some don't. Just like guys. Shallow, superficial people come in both genders.

nefarious
02-26-2007, 06:24 AM
What Scares a Man?
Shania Twain...:slobber1:I'm afraid of Canadians, especially the way their heads flop around when they talk.

nefarious
02-26-2007, 06:28 AM
So you are like Iceaxe?Only if he is retarded and shiftless, but it might be safer for me to let him answer that question. :whistling:

tanya
02-26-2007, 07:31 AM
So you are like Iceaxe?Only if he is retarded and shiftless, but it might be safer for me to let him answer that question. :whistling:


I have not found you to be retarded at all, in fact quite the opposite. :nod: As for shiftless.... I have no clue. :haha:

DiscGo
02-26-2007, 07:47 AM
One thing that scares me is men who pretend to be women.

JP
02-26-2007, 07:55 AM
One thing that scares me is men who pretend to be women. :roflol: :roflol: :roflol: :roflol:

nefarious
02-26-2007, 11:49 AM
I have not found you to be retarded at all, in fact quite the opposite.Thanks. But I don't consider the term a put down. It's been said that a person must tard before he can retard, and I'm just proud to have graduated. :cool2:

Cirrus2000
02-26-2007, 12:22 PM
What Scares a Man?
Shania Twain...:slobber1:I'm afraid of Canadians, especially the way their heads flop around when they talk.
We only do that when we're really animated... :haha:

greyhair biker
02-26-2007, 12:25 PM
One thing that scares me is men who pretend to be women. :roflol: :roflol: :roflol: :roflol:
I have to agree a little bit here...I am not homophobic , I used to go to a guy in a salon that did my hair. I knew he was gay and his 'other half' worked there too. Safe right? NO, they broke up and the one that was left started to 'linger' a bit when he worked on my hair & started trying to get me to come to 'parties' & such. It really creeped me out and I stopped going to him.

JP
02-26-2007, 05:15 PM
I am not homophobic
What's wrong with being homophobic :haha: Nobody gets a reash of crap for being afraid of heights, spiders, snakes, clowns, etc. :haha: Why should homophobes :haha:

nefarious
02-26-2007, 05:56 PM
What Scares a Man?
Shania Twain...:slobber1:I'm afraid of Canadians, especially the way their heads flop around when they talk.
We only do that when we're really animated... :haha:Nice one. :haha:

nefarious
02-26-2007, 05:58 PM
I am not homophobic
What's wrong with being homophobic :haha: Nobody gets a reash of crap for being afraid of heights, spiders, snakes, clowns, etc. :haha: Why should homophobes :haha:You mean you're afraid of spiders? Damn, buck it up! :mrgreen:

accadacca
02-26-2007, 07:34 PM
What Scares a Man?
Kids that PUKE all over!!! :frustrated:

tanya
02-26-2007, 08:10 PM
What Scares a Man?
Kids that PUKE all over!!! :frustrated:


Having a rough night :ne_nau:

accadacca
02-26-2007, 08:13 PM
Having a rough night :ne_nau:
Ah hell and it was some baby macaroni shiz! :roll:

Gotta luv em but damn are they tough sometimes... :wallbash:

accadacca
02-26-2007, 08:45 PM
what scares me most is when i ask "what's wrong" and she says "NOTHING!". like i'm supposed to be a mind reader or something.

This is simple. She is upset but in many ways embarrased she is upset. She just wants you to not do what upset her and more she wants you to now make her feel better that you upset her but not make her feel like she is upset. It's probably about emotions. So yes, read her mind. You know her. What always upsets her? It's probably the same thing most of the time.
Is this the uutah.com marriage counseling section? :ne_nau:

Keep those comments coming tanya...us men need em. :haha:

tanya
02-26-2007, 09:40 PM
what scares me most is when i ask "what's wrong" and she says "NOTHING!". like i'm supposed to be a mind reader or something.

This is simple. She is upset but in many ways embarrased she is upset. She just wants you to not do what upset her and more she wants you to now make her feel better that you upset her but not make her feel like she is upset. It's probably about emotions. So yes, read her mind. You know her. What always upsets her? It's probably the same thing most of the time.
Is this the uutah.com marriage counseling section? :ne_nau:

Keep those comments coming tanya...us men need em. :haha:

I like that Baby! You even say my name when talking to another woman. :haha:

Wilma
06-13-2008, 07:22 PM
That my girlfriend and wife will someday meet. :2thumbs:


Still scared hunny? :ne_nau: I can do a 3some if it makes her feel better. :naughty:

Sombeech
06-13-2008, 07:24 PM
That my girlfriend and wife will someday meet. :2thumbs:


Still scared hunny? :ne_nau: I can do a 3some if it make her feel better. :naughty:

Please post the trip report.

tanya
06-14-2008, 05:35 AM
That my girlfriend and wife will someday meet. :2thumbs:


Still scared hunny? :ne_nau: I can do a 3some if it make her feel better. :naughty:

Please post the trip report.

:lol8: :popcorn:

moabfool
06-14-2008, 06:06 AM
Don't forget PMS.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7k00o0C5b0

sparker1
06-14-2008, 06:08 AM
That my girlfriend and wife will someday meet. :2thumbs:


Still scared hunny? :ne_nau: I can do a 3some if it make her feel better. :naughty:

Please post the trip report.

Photos?????

Wilma
06-14-2008, 06:13 AM
That my girlfriend and wife will someday meet. :2thumbs:


Still scared hunny? :ne_nau: I can do a 3some if it make her feel better. :naughty:

Please post the trip report.

Photos?????


:haha:

Iceaxe
06-14-2008, 01:54 PM
One thing that scares me is men who pretend to be women.

I have been discovered. :eek2:

Sometimes I'm Surfergirl23.... that way I can hang out in the lesbian chat room and talk to all the other men. :lol8:

:popcorn:

DiscGo
06-14-2008, 05:09 PM
One thing that scares me is men who pretend to be women.

I have been discovered. :eek2:



:roflol: :roflol: :roflol: :roflol: :roflol: :roflol: :roflol: :roflol: :roflol:

That is funny.


One thing that really scares me is the banshee from Darby O'Gill and the Little People.

http://www.michaelbarrier.com/Commentary/Live_Action_Walt/DarbyOGill.jpg

That picture doesn't do it justice.

http://bp1.blogger.com/_MyrnRTwTUFk/R93oM5xzlII/AAAAAAAAG-k/PDMLTK1jj-Q/s1600/BaNSHEE.jpg

Wilma
06-14-2008, 05:50 PM
One thing that scares me is men who pretend to be women.

I have been discovered. :eek2:

Sometimes I'm Surfergirl23.... that way I can hang out in the lesbian chat room and talk to all the other men. :lol8:

:popcorn:


Who told you guys that I am male? Must be Alex! He always ruins my fun! :frustrated: