Dodge tried to kill me!

[Scott P]

Dodge tried to kill me on Tuesday. It was attempted murder.

Last year, the shift fork was bad in a 2002 Dodge (company vehicle-I am not even close to being stupid enough to buy a Dodge). It was taken to the dealer and was attributed to

[JP]

[quote=Scott Patterson]I couldn

[wojo342]

I've had a big, full sized, green 1999 Dodge Passenger van that I bought new. It now has over 179000 miles on it and still runs strong. My wife calls her BABS (Short for BIG ASS BUS!) I have had it from the snow and ice in Nothern Idaho to the scorching hot desert of Death Valley. It has hauled countless Boy Scouts and Young Women's groups to camps all over the west.

For four summers 2000 to 2004 I hauled our High School wrestling team to technique camps in Colorado, Oregon, California and Nevada. I have made three trips to Disneyland with my family during the time as well. I have never had a moments trouble with it and I will keep the van until the wheels fall off. The best part?....it's paid for!
Just my 2 cents worth

[DiscGo]

I think the Dodge Ram is one of the most attractive trucks ever, but it seems like I only hear bad things about it.

[Iceaxe]

I love my Dodge. Never had any problems with it. And the Hemi is awesome. I'd consider buying anther Dodge in a heartbeat :haha:

:2thumbs:

http://www.dodgetruckworld.com/gallery/iceaxe/235914.jpg

Worst vehicle I ever owned was a Honda. No way in hell I'd ever buy anther one.

.

[Rev. Coyote]

Another dumb-ass here! I have a 2004 Cummins Dodge (Cummins first, Dodge second) that I goddamn love. They got the tranny issues pretty well worked out, it's tough, handles well. I switched from Toyota because Toyota flat refuses to make a big truck or to offer diesel. I miss some aspects of Toyota quality, though I've learned a lot lately about piss-poor aspects of Land Cruisers (and will not buy one). But then, Dodge Durango is one of the worst things ever built.

GM, however, sucks.

My next car will be a Bentley shooting brake

[Scott P]

I love my Dodge. Never had any problems with it.

1. Yours is new. Just wait a few years. You will be sorry once it starts to kill you or empty your pockets.

2. You have many problems with your Dodge, you just fail to admit them. Brand new off the showroom floor Dodges have problems. It's just hard for some people who own them to admit. No one wants to admit that they make bad choices from there purchases. My parents do the same thing by living in West Valley. Dodge Trucks are to the truck industry as West Valley is to the Salt Lake Valley, but the Dodge is even worse.

As per Consumer Reports:

The Hemi is fairly quick, but no quicker than the competition and gets only 11 mpg. The Ram has a jittery ride and cumbersome handling. Braking requires long stops. The hood causes poor visibility for short drivers.

Disadvantages of the Dodge include noise, handling, fuel economy, braking, fit and finish, rear seat, and access.

All those are serious problems when the Dodge is brand new never been driven.

The only good points about the new Dodge was bed size and crash test results. That

[Rev. Coyote]

[quote=Scott Patterson]The Ram has a jittery ride and cumbersome handling. Braking requires long stops. The hood causes poor visibility for short drivers.

Disadvantages of the Dodge include noise, handling, fuel economy, braking, fit and finish, rear seat, and access.

All those are serious problems when the Dodge is brand new never been driven.

The only good points about the new Dodge was bed size and crash test results. That

[Udink]

[quote=Scott Patterson]It was taken to the dealer and was attributed to

[price1869]

Another dumb-ass here!

is this necessary? really? :nono:

[Rev. Coyote]

Another dumb-ass here!

is this necessary? really? :nono:

Damn you're priggish, even for a radical mormon!

[Rev. Coyote]

Another dumb-ass here!

is this necessary? really? :nono:

Oh, and FYI, I was referring to myself. Hope that clarifies things. Have a blessed day.

In Jesus' name,
Rev. Coyote

[Scott P]

This belongs here too:

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/auto/cr/0404rel002.gif

Notice that an eight year old asian car typically has the same amount of problems as a 3.5 year old American one. That just average too. Toyota, Honda, and Subaru are at the top of the Asian automakers. Not all Asian cars did that well.

Here are some more charts and info for everyone:

http://www.roadandtravel.com/consumerreports/best&worstusedcars.htm

Best and Worst Used Cars

CR Good Bets (below) are the best of the reliable used cars. They have performed well in our road tests and have been consistently better than average in overall reliability.

Used cars to avoid, includes all the models, by year, that were below average in reliability.

Repeat offenders (bottom) are vehicles that are especially risky buys. They have exhibited several years of poor overall reliability.
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __

[i]These models represent the best of both worlds: They have performed well in Consumer Reports tests over the years and have had much-better-than-average reliability for multiple years. They are listed alphabetically.

Acura Integra
Acura MDX
Acura RL
Acura TL
Buick Regal
Chrysler PT Cruiser
Ford Escort
Geo/Chevrolet Prizm
Honda Accord
Honda Civic
Honda CR-V
Honda Odyssey
Honda Prelude
Honda S2000
Infiniti G20
Infiniti I30, I35
Infiniti QX4
Isuzu Oasis
Lexus ES300
Lexus GS300/GS400,
GS430
Lexus LS400, LS430
Lexus RX300
Lincoln Town Car
(except 2003)
Mazda 626
Mazda Millenia
Mazda MPV
Mazda MX-5 Miata
Mazda Proteg

[donny h]

Also, there is no way to abuse a shift fork.

I don't know about that year, but in my 92 Cummins 5-speed it is common knowledge that the shift forks will wear out prematurely if you rest your hand on the shifter while driving.

It's a bad habit with any manual trans.


The vehicle is well taken care of.

Maybe they do the maintenance, but if it's a company vehicle it may get driven REAL hard. Like a rental. Like it's stolen.


Anyway, as mentioned the shift fork was just replaced last year.

There are issues with aftermarket parts in the Getrag trans, the aftermarket shift forks are made of the wrong alloy, and even a dealer may have used the cheaper aftermarket stuff, if that's the case, and if one of the 'company' drivers rests their hand on the shifter at all times, you have a double-whammy going there.

We all have our preferences. I would never by a Ford.

Dodge isn't going to go bankrupt, but GM is.

[DiscGo]

I like that the thread title is "Dodge tried to kill me!". Not "Dodge Almost killed me" But "Dodge tried to kill me!". It sounds like you are really important. As if Dodge needed to kill you before you got your new fuel plan to Ford, or whatever. :haha:

I might find it extra funny because I only had about 3 hours of sleep last night, but I did enjoy that.

[donny h]

Scott, if you want to believe a word printed by Consumer reports, that's your business, but their methodology is seriously flawed.

Just one example:http://www.allpar.com/cr.html

I wouldn't take their advice on buying a blender, much less a vehicle.

I'm not saying I have no use at all for CR, rolled up, their mag makes a decent flyswatter, I would also proudly use their mag for kindling.

[Iceaxe]

Deja Moo: The feeling that you've heard this bull crap before.

http://uutah.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4318
http://uutah.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2193

:fluff: :lame: :repost:

[Scott P]

I don't know about that year, but in my 92 Cummins 5-speed it is common knowledge that the shift forks will wear out prematurely if you rest your hand on the shifter while driving. It's a bad habit with any manual trans.

Maybe so, but this shift fork is for the transfer case and this is an automatic transmission vehicle. Since the transfer case is on the floor and you have to lean over to shift it, no one is resting their hand on it.


Maybe they do the maintenance, but if it's a company vehicle it may get driven REAL hard.

I am the one that drives it most of the time and can vouch that it's well taken care of.

PS, the dealer called and said two O2 sensors and the PCM chip needs to be replaced. How can anyone abuse a PCM chip or O2 sensor?


There are issues with aftermarket parts in the Getrag trans, the aftermarket shift forks are made of the wrong alloy, and even a dealer may have used the cheaper aftermarket stuff, if that's the case, and if one of the 'company' drivers rests their hand on the shifter at all times, you have a double-whammy going there.

The shift fork was the problem the first time. It was a different problem this time.


Deja Moo: The feeling that you've heard this bull crap before.

Apparently you need to hear it again because you still drive a Dodge and seem to almost be proud of it.

Also, Shane and Donny, I want you to show me hard evidence that the Dodge is higher quality or is more reliable than something like a Toyota or Honda. Not your opinion, but hard evidence. Show me and state your source adn I will be happy to listen. I don't want to hear a BS opinion about someone's own emotions about your own vehicle, but hard data. Please show it to me.

Also, show me that a 4wd system should break down twice within a short period of time and this is normal wear and tear. :ne_nau:

You two seem to have no sympahy what the Dodge did to me? Why? Do you wish I would have been killed or something? I thought you (shane)were my friend. Does Donny hate me too?:ne_nau:

I was driving in the mountains between Meeker and Rifle Colorado. Pull over and freeze to death? It was also around midnight. I wasn't exactly driving in the city. For example, the nearest super Walmart to my house is a 200 miles round trip drive.I could have pulled over for the night, but as I said I was fine driving 25 mph or less. At a minimum, the gas station in Meeker to the nearest gas station in Rifle is a four of five day walk assuming anyone pulled over.

Anyway, I wouldn't have had to worry about anything like pulling over, calling, etc., if the Dodge wasn't such a POS in the first place. The reason I am so pissed is because the Dodge is such a POS.

I don't understand why you would think that I should not be angry about what happened? Do you care more about your ego about your purchase than you do a living person? Are you guys saying the problems I had with the Dodge should have happened? Are you glad they happened?

If you can not back up your claims than you have absolutely no credibility and are not to be listened to on this topic. I have shown my sources, now show yours that say Dodge is higher quality than other vehicles (the site above wants to discredit CR, but doesn't state that Dodges are better).

So, show me. Waiting. I will read the data and listen to you.


Scott, if you want to believe a word printed by Consumer reports, that's your business, but their methodology is seriously flawed.

Number 1, that's BS, and number 2, your source is from "all par" which says is for Dodge, Chrysler, Plymouth, and Jeep. There's an unbiased source for you. I wonder why they would want to discredit Consumer Reports?

They say plainly on that site that someone who owns a Toyota will not report problems. Honda driveres all garage their cars skewing the results. Give me a break.

Here's another point about holding value.

A quick look in the Blue Book says the following. A ten year old (1997) Lincoln Continental (luxury car) has an "excellent condition" retail of $6925. A ten year old (1997) Honda Civic EX (economy car) has an "excellent condition" retail of $7425.

The Lincoln cost 2.5 times more brand new, but after a few years is worth less LOL.

Why is that?

PS, I'm headed out of town now for the weekend and will be looking for your hard data when I get back. :2thumbs:

[Rev. Coyote]

It's always amazing to me how emotional people get talking about a mechanical thing. You really have to look at the subject from the standpoint of need, function, and how certain qualities relate to those areas.

Some folks get mad if you buy "foreign." I drive a Dodge made in Mexico. My friend drives a Toyota made in Kentucky. Another friend drives a Ford made in Japan. Chevy Novas (the last ones) were Toyotas.

Some people insist foreign is better, but no foreign label produces a truly full-size pickup. So we're left with US makes (those of us who need a truck to be a truck).

I used to read CR, and their testing protocol -- while not perfect -- is one of the best around. Then look at Road and Track. Then read the recalls information and TSBs (very telling) on any car you're looking at. There's HUGE variations inside brands, too!

I still want the Bentley, though.

[donny h]

Maybe so, but this shift fork is for the transfer case and this is an automatic transmission vehicle. Since the transfer case is on the floor and you have to lean over to shift it, no one is resting their hand on it.

So that's not the issue in your case. Okay. The automatics have other known issues with the shift forks, but I don't know those details, so I won't pretend I do by talking about them.


I am the one that drives it most of the time and can vouch that it's well taken care of.

Most of the time being the key phrase, if I only drive a rental car for 1% of it's lifespan, be assured it's the hardest 1% it'll ever see.


Donny, I want you to show me hard evidence that the Dodge is higher quality or is more reliable than something like a Toyota or Honda.

I never made such an assertion, I can hardly back up a claim I never made. I actually agree, if turn-key reliability is a buyers top concern, then I would recommend a Honda/Toyota passenger car, at the same time, I wouldn't recommend a full sized 4x4 of any make if turn-key is the top priority.


Also, show me that a 4wd system should break down twice within a short period of time and this is normal wear and tear.

A vehicle broke down twice a few months apart? You unlucky fella, you must the only motorist in the history of automobiles to have a car break twice.


You two seem to have no sympahy what the Dodge did to me? Why? Do you wish I would have been killed or something? I thought you (shane)were my friend. Does Donny hate me too?

Because you are taking it to an absurdly personal level. You're Dodge broke twice, so they are trying to kill you. That doesn't sound asinine to you? My next door neighbor put 4 transmissions in a Forerunner in 4 years, he was pissed, but he didn't go around ranting that Toyota was trying to kill him.

Yes, if I don't agree with moronic rants it's because I hate the ranter. That must be it.

Either that, or I recognize dribble when I see it, and I will call anyone on their dribble.

I don't agree with rants out of a sense of sympathy, call your mom.


I don't understand why you would think that I should not be angry about what happened? Do you care more about your ego about your purchase than you do a living person? Are you guys saying the problems I had with the Dodge should have happened? Are you glad they happened?

Be angry, by all means, just try to be slightly rational about it. The Dodge truck in question sucks. Fine. So be it. So stipulated.

But stop with the grassy-knoll, Roswellian, area-51 level of conspiracy that Dodge wants you, Scott Patterson, dead.


your source is from "all par" which says is for Dodge, Chrysler, Plymouth, and Jeep. There's an unbiased source for you. I wonder why they would want to discredit Consumer Reports?

Like I said when I posted it, that just one source that points out the flaws in Consumer reports methodology. I suggest looking elsewhere for data on this issue, because CR lost their credibility a long time ago to anyone who looks at them with an unjaundiced eye.

I've been attacked before for dissing CR, a lot of folks believe every word they say, and always have, they are emotionally invested in CR, and will hear nothing negative about it.

Scott, you like what they say so you believe it. Nothing complicated about that.

Research it yourself, I'm not going to post a dozen links so you can try to pick them apart because you don't like what they say, punch Consumer Reports into google and add one of these terms: flawed, bias, corrupt, methodology, innaccurate, sucks.


you still drive a Dodge and seem to almost be proud of it.

Not almost, I AM proud of my 92 Dodge Cummins, it's the best motor ever offered in a truck, with straight axles and leaf springs the way a truck should be, 17mpg doing 75mph in a big ole truck, what's not to like?

I am proud of my 83 Dodge van, too, no major issues in 200k.

I was proud of my 74 Dart, too, great car, it's probably still out there on the road, maybe even not stopping for stranded motorists in Colorado. It also was made in America, the other two weren't (truck- Mex, van- Can)

What, am I supposed to hang my head in shame because some guy on the intardnet is on a rant against a Dodge he doesn't even own? Pay for a lemon, and maybe I'll feel your pain.

If you really wanna know what's up with the trans in that truck, I'll research it for you, post the year, model, and engine and I'll look it up. Does the truck tow/haul?

Dodge trucks have known trans issues going back to the early 90s, manual and automatics both. So does Ford and GM.

[donny h]

I still want the Bentley, though.

NO PROBLEM. Coming right up.

Will you be paying with a check, or a wheelbarrow full of cash? :haha:

[greyhair biker]

:ne_nau: I own a Dodge, but its an 88' Ram150LE, old and a bit modified. Bought it 'cause it was the best deal at the time. Ive done alot of work to it...ALOT. I still have it 'cause it is reliable OFFROAD...I dont drive it much anymore...has over 200,000 miles on it. I would rather drive my Jeep honestly, but the 'dog' is fun to drive. Ive had to spend DAYS in Moab working on it in front of the NAPA Auto Parts in Moab and can tell you I made up LOTS of new words to describe the damn truck but I still own the thing...cant seem to part with it...it's my go to the dump truck, my trailer hauler truck, my go to the mountains and get firewood truck.
Honestly, I feel you pain. I am very glad you survived the ordeal. I have been there with my DODGE...I just cant seem to make myself get rid of it :ne_nau:

[Scott P]

I never made such an assertion, I can hardly back up a claim I never made.

If you don

[JP]

I'm not a Chevy fan, never was. I grew up in Ford trucks, I drive a Ford car every day and my first choice when I was looking at 1 ton pickups was Ford. I had some concern with the new 6.0L Powerstroke, but by 2005 they pretty much had the bugs worked out of them. A friend of mine was a salesman at a Jeep dealership and when talking to him about me getting the Ford, he asked what I thought about the Dodge. I said that I had no issues with Dodge and the Cummins was one tried and proved motor. I bought the Dodge from him.

So, yes I own a Dodge, but it wasn't my first choice. I have 41,000 miles on it and I have pretty much no complaints. The interior isn't as comfy to me as that of the Ford. As far as mechanical, no problems to date. This hood thing, it's a truck. I have never even noticed a vision problem with it. As far as a Toyota, wasn't even a choice. They still don't offer a full sized truck. The rear axle is the same axle found under their mini-trucks. And I don't view a half ton truck sitting on IFS a truck I would want. As far as power, the Toy might as well be in the rear of my truck. 610ft-lbs of torque and 325hp and getting just under 24mpg on the highway, you can keep that Toy.

[Rev. Coyote]

I had some concern with the new 6.0L Powerstroke, but by 2005 they pretty much had the bugs worked out of them. A friend of mine was a salesman at a Jeep dealership and when talking to him about me getting the Ford, he asked what I thought about the Dodge. I said that I had no issues with Dodge and the Cummins was one tried and proved motor. I bought the Dodge from him..


The worst thing about that Powerstroke is some have been breaking rod caps if they're lugged at all --- and who won't ever lug? That's a MAJOR problem. Don't know if that's been addressed, do you? Also, the 6.0 was introduced with no training for shop personnel, so those poor SOBs were flying blind for a while.

The Cummins is at heart an industrial engine, and its compoents heavy heavy heavy. Solid and arguably one of the best-engineered powerplants on the road. See the picture below, it's kinda cool.

And yeah, if Yota ever steps up to the plate with a real truck, I'll consider one. I do love my old 91 Lexus though. What a sweet, fast ride.

[Rev. Coyote]

I don't understand why you would think that I should not be angry about what happened? Do you care more about your ego about your purchase than you do a living person? Are you guys saying the problems I had with the Dodge should have happened? Are you glad they happened?

If you can not back up your claims than you have absolutely no credibility and are not to be listened to on this topic. I have shown my sources, now show yours that say Dodge is higher quality than other vehicles (the site above wants to discredit CR, but doesn't state that Dodges are better).


You're starting to sound spinny-eyed. Yeah, car manufacturers should fix poor design. Like the Pinto that exlodes on rear impact. Like the Chevy trucks that explode on side impact. Like the Toyota trucks with the solid steering rod that in front impact will impale you like Vlad Dracula. Like the Toyota Land Cruisers that blow head gaskets all the time. If you're going to be outraged, let if flow evenly. Dodge is not the only "bad actor" out there.

However, I believe too many people put too much trust in their vehicles to begin with. No one knows how to fix simple problems or drive correctly -- then get pissed because they are left on the roadside at the whims of bad weather, marauding dogs, crack addicts, and "pro-marriage" bible salesmen.

[JP]

Proper maintenance is the key to longevity in any vehicle. :nod:

[Udink]

The Cummins is at heart an industrial engine, and its compoents heavy heavy heavy. Solid and arguably one of the best-engineered powerplants on the road. See the picture below, it's kinda cool.
Hey, that's not completely fair. Sure, the Cummins rods are beefier, but there are only six of 'em. :ne_nau:

[JP]

Hey, that's not completely fair. Sure, the Cummins rods are beefier, but there are only six of 'em. :ne_nau:
Yep, that's why inline 6's have the torque they do. And less moving parts :haha: Think about it, the Powerstroke is a 6.0L V-8 and the Cummins is a 5.9L I6 :haha:

[Udink]

Yep, that's why inline 6's have the torque they do. And less moving parts :haha: Think about it, the Powerstroke is a 6.0L V-8 and the Cummins is a 5.9L I6 :haha:
I'm not saying that the Cummins engines are inferior, just that the picture is misleading. The size alone of the connecting rods isn't a good indicator of anything. :smile: I've never driven a Dodge, but I do love my 7.3L Powerstroke. :feelgood: Ok, maybe not that much...

[JP]

:feelgood: Ok, maybe not that much...
LOL :roflol:
That just goes to show when it comes to the I-6 and the V-8; bigger parts for the little guy. I can't wait to see how these new 6.7L
I-6 Cummins are going to do. :2thumbs:

[Rev. Coyote]

Yep, that's why inline 6's have the torque they do. And less moving parts :haha: Think about it, the Powerstroke is a 6.0L V-8 and the Cummins is a 5.9L I6 :haha:
I'm not saying that the Cummins engines are inferior, just that the picture is misleading. The size alone of the connecting rods isn't a good indicator of anything. :smile: I've never driven a Dodge, but I do love my 7.3L Powerstroke. :feelgood: Ok, maybe not that much...


That 7.3 is a grand old engine. Can't go wrong with that.

[donny h]

[quote=Scott Patterson]On the other hand, I am upset with Dodge and don

[psl53]

I have a 98 cummins and outside of the low pressure fuel pump I haven't had a problem, I feel for you Scott. Scott you have posted around here enough for us to know you are not making this up. You just got a shitty truck, but I don't think it's indicative of all Dodge vehicles.
Peter

[Scott P]

Update:

The @#$% 4wd in the truck is still not fixed because they ordered a part. :frustrated: They fixed the other problems.

http://www.summitpost.org/images/medium/272191.jpg

Anyway, the bill was $1548.45 without the 4wd. This will cost several hundred dollars more. Keep in mind this is a late model truck, well taken care of and well maintained. None of the items repaired were from any type of abuse.

Two O2 sensors, catalytic converter, and the main computer chip and cruise control had to be replaced. There is no real way to abuse these items.
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I am waving the olive branch here

Olive branch excepted and no hard feelings on this end. :2thumbs:


I'm sure you can understand that last one may have been taken a bit personally, it is your opinion, but it's also an insult. Some of my reaction to this thread was probably motivated by that line.

While my statement was definately an exaggeration because everyone alive has a brain, I personally do not believe buying a Dodge is a wise choice. Admittedly, I was ranting and it was a bit over the top and was directing my rant towards Dodge rather than any person. My post was meant as a stern warning for anyone whom might be considering it. I really do think that Dodge should improve quality and perhaps the message needs to get out to them.


Again, of course you do, but if the statistics being tossed around are from a questionable source, I may question them, and CR has credibility issues, you may not want to believe that, but I reserve the right to question dubious statistics just as you reserve the right to post what you believe to be credible statistics.

I do believe that Consumer Reports is a credible source and I do think they have proved that the Dodge is of lower quality than many other vehicles on the road.

The only way I could see buying one is if you actually needed something more than what say, a Toyota Tundra offers, i.e. the Cummins motor, but for everyday use, I can

[Iceaxe]

I bought my Dodge new and it came with a factory 7 year 70,000 mile bumper to bumper warranty. I have never owned a vehicle 7 years or 70,000 miles so I guess I have no worries.

And I always remember what Lee Iaccoca said about car warrenties when he rescued Chrysler.... you can't offer the warrenty if the vehicule can't do it or you will be out of business.

:cool2:

[Scott P]

I bought my Dodge new and it came with a factory 7 year 70,000 mile bumper to bumper warranty. I have never owned a vehicle 7 years or 70,000 miles so I guess I have no worries.

Did you purchas it as an extra? Dodge only has a bumber to bumber warrantee for 3 years/36,000 miles. Only the Powertrain is covered for 7 years unless you buy the extended warrantee.


And I always remember what Lee Iaccoca said about car warrenties when he rescued Chrysler.... you can't offer the warrenty if the vehicule can't do it or you will be out of business.

Yeah, and back then Chrysler came with a one year 12000 mile bumber to bumber warrantee. :nono: It was still like that until the 1990's. My Jeep only had a 12,000 one year warrantee when I bought it in the early 90's.

[Rev. Coyote]

The Cummins engine has a 100,000 mile warranty, FYI.

[Iceaxe]

You mean you purchased it as an extra. Dodge only has a bumber to bumber warrantee for 3 years/36,000 miles. Only the Powertrain is covered for 7 years unless you buy the extended warrantee

Nope... the 2005's came with a factory 7/70 bumper to bumper. It was droped for 2006 to 3/36. I never buy extended warranties... that's a suckers bet.

:popcorn:

[Scott P]

Nope... the 2005's came with a factory 7/70 bumper to bumper. It was droped for 2006 to 3/36.

I see. Never mind. :2thumbs:

[donny h]

Update:

I looked up that truck, there are issues with the front axle and shifting into 4wd, and they all sprout from one point: Shift on the fly is inherently faulty compared to the old manual locking hubs.

There's issues with the auto hubs, the vacuum lines and the switch that engages the shift fork, and something called a vacuum CAD motor. The popular fix is something called a Posi Lock which uses a cable actuator to engage 4wd.

It's a shame, all that complicated stuff on something as simple as a front axle, and it's all so the driver can keep his feet clean. I like the manual hubs on my 92.

[Iceaxe]

A thread back from the dead....

Dodge also tried to kill this guy...... :lol8:

Warning: Some swearing in the video....



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HSjVGvNAyM


"Dude, what just happened?".....

answer: You are a candy ass and lost control at a whooping 10 mph! :roflol:


,

[BruteForce]

I've been a happy Dodge owner since 1999.

My first Dodge was my 99 Durango (V8 5.9 L). Its had almost no service issues. Proper maintenance has allowed me to exceed 150k miles and it's still running strong and will be the first vehicle for my 15 year old (next year).

My current truck is a 2008 Ram 2500 i6 6.7L Turbo Diesel. I'm now at 60k miles and other than a DPF/Turbo cleaning, I've had no issues. It's easily the most powerful vehicle I've ever owned. If Utah didn't have such stringent emissions laws, I'd remove all the DPF/EGR components and the truck would surely run for 300k + miles.

[Don]

Funny thread. Truck arguments, like sports team arguments, always seem to come down to my pecker is bigger than yours or my dad could beat up your dad. :haha:

[BruteForce]

Funny thread. Truck arguments, like sports team arguments, always seem to come down to my pecker is bigger than yours or my dad could beat up your dad. :haha:

In my case, both apply! :2thumbs:

[Iceaxe]

I love my big red truck. :2thumbs:

[Rev. Coyote]

I've been a happy Dodge owner since 1999.

My first Dodge was my 99 Durango (V8 5.9 L). Its had almost no service issues. Proper maintenance has allowed me to exceed 150k miles and it's still running strong and will be the first vehicle for my 15 year old (next year).

My current truck is a 2008 Ram 2500 i6 6.7L Turbo Diesel. I'm now at 60k miles and other than a DPF/Turbo cleaning, I've had no issues. It's easily the most powerful vehicle I've ever owned. If Utah didn't have such stringent emissions laws, I'd remove all the DPF/EGR components and the truck would surely run for 300k + miles.

You and I agree on one thing: Truck choice. Let's just revel in that allegiance for a moment.

(By the way, turbos cut down on the life of a diesel engine as much as 50%. If the Cummins were N/A, it'd go 500k with no problem. But GAWD I love to hear that thing spool!)

[Scott P]

$11,000 in one year ona truck that had less than 100,000 miles was enough problems for me, epecially since the truck was well taken care of.

Just some of the repairs:

http://www.summitpost.org/images/original/372003.jpg

http://www.summitpost.org/images/original/372002.jpg

http://www.summitpost.org/images/original/372001.jpg

See also here:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124217615086013325.html

http://www.daimlerchryslervehicleproblems.com/

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122487032121567191.html

http://www.dontbuydodgechryslervehicles.com/dodge_chrysler_vehicle_problems_videos.htm

I didn

[Rev. Coyote]

It's OK Scott, everyone's just giving you a hard time.

I specifically bought Dodge for the Cummins. Wouldn't have one of their late-model gasoline models.

When Toyota comes out with a diesel truck, I'll be interested...

[JP]

Man, somebody has issues :haha:

My Dodge still loves me :roflol: :roflol: :roflol:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v654/Zukimog/13%20September%202009%20Paco%20JD%20Pull/IMG_2634a.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v654/Zukimog/13%20September%202009%20Paco%20JD%20Pull/IMG_2626a.jpg

[BruteForce]

Scott P, correct me if I'm mistaken, but this Dodge truck you've referred to was owned by the State of Colorado, not you.

The Dealer invoice reflects a CO fleet vehicle.

If that's the case, I'm just amazed you're claiming so much knowledge about the vehicle, it's service history, etc.

I'd like to think a private citizen takes better care of their vehicles than a governmental fleet.

[Scott P]

Man, somebody has issues

Yes, a whole lot of issues. $11,000 worth of issues in one year.


Scott P, correct me if I'm mistaken, but this Dodge truck you've referred to was owned by the State of Colorado, not you.

Yes, that is correct.


If that's the case, I'm just amazed you're claiming so much knowledge about the vehicle, its service history, etc.

Its service record is on file. I was the one using the vehicle between October 2004 and May 2009, about five years. No one else used the truck during that time period. I took very good care of the vehicle.

Before I used it, it was assigned to John Bouldin until he retired. He was a kind old man and a very conservative driver who also took care of the truck. All records are on file.

Also, as far as taking care of the truck is concerned, let

[BruteForce]

Scott, great reply and detail.

I would add that the State probably got ripped-off on many of the repairs. Dealers are notorious for adding phantom parts/charges - and probably more so with a government owned vehicle (where potentially no vested interest exists).

As for my truck, yes - it does vibrate at around 75mph, but for a 7500 pound truck, I suppose that's to be expected. I probably shouldn't be doing 75mph in that rig. The front-ends are notoriously weak and prone to issues - that I will concede.

My Durango however was virtually flawless. The Ram not so much.

[JP]

I have no vibrations, 125 is the fastest I had it so far :mrgreen:

[Rev. Coyote]

No vibrations on my 04 Cummins 2500 either, smooth as silk up to 90 that I know of.

[JP]

[quote=Scott P]Another item was the transfer case/shift fork...

The part wouldn

[Sombeech]

All of the fleet trucks I've driven are absolutely trashed. 1 year of fleet driving = 7 years of normal ownership. I think it's a scientific tie to dog years. :haha:

[oldno7]

[quote=Scott P]Another item was the transfer case/shift fork...



NP's were in the Jeeps as well, I don't ever recall a corroded fork. The forks controls the shifting from 2wd, 4High and 4Low. The forks at that point are submerged in tranny fluid. .

JP
Could they be talking about the vacuum actuated shift fork on the passenger side of the front axle? I'm not even positive they still exist, but I know in the 90's jeeps, they wore out at a regular pace. Some eliminated the vacuum system and installed a manual locking cable.

[JP]

Yepper, they still utilize that on the trucks. That is the Center Axle Disconnect or CAD. That's the fork and collar that slides over by an electric switch and or vacuum. Usually when they go bad it's the diaphragm or dry rotted vacuum lines. That fork is partially in gear oil.

[Iceaxe]

I saw this today and just new I had to post it here... the new Dodge Durango is hot!!!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lWwSLtJmCE

[stefan]

classic thread :2thumbs:

[trackrunner]

I saw this today and just new I had to post it here... the new Dodge Durango is hot!!!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lWwSLtJmCE

Imported from Detroit

[JP]

Here's two of my three killers :haha::haha::haha::haha: Still alive :lol8:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v654/Zukimog/Dooge%20Upgrades/P4115054.jpg

[accadacca]

Man, somebody has issues :haha:

My Dodge still loves me :roflol: :roflol: :roflol:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v654/Zukimog/13%20September%202009%20Paco%20JD%20Pull/IMG_2634a.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v654/Zukimog/13%20September%202009%20Paco%20JD%20Pull/IMG_2626a.jpg
These pix are bass ass! :cool2:

[blueeyes]

I had a Durango once.... it was female... you know how I know that.... Her name was BITCH!!!! I had a love hate relationship with that piece of ... junk. Transmission issues from hell. I would have gladly lit her on fire.

[JP]

These pix are bass ass! :cool2:
:lol8::lol8::lol8::lol8::lol8:

[Iceaxe]

I hope Scott see's this thread. :lol8:

http://www.bogley.com/forum/showthread.php?66848

[Bootboy]

I'm of the opinion that the cummins Diesel engine has sold a lot of mediocre trucks over the years.