Coyote Butte South

[gonzo]

Back in January I signed up for Coyote Butte permits, but accidentally got South instead of North. So, I guess The Wave is out. Does anyone have suggestions about where to go down there? Routes and pictures are greatly appreciated.

Thanks...

[tanya]

Back in January I signed up for Coyote Butte permits, but accidentally got South instead of North. So, I guess The Wave is out. Does anyone have suggestions about where to go down there? Routes and pictures are greatly appreciated.

Thanks...

Hi Kris! Glad you joined. You seem quite active!

Oh yeah! I like South Coyote Buttes better than North.

You will need a 4WD to enjoy South Coyote Buttes. Here is a list of some interesting places you can visit there with your permit.

Cobra Arch
White Pocket
Steamboat Rock
Cottonwood Teepees
Paw Hole

http://www.zionnational-park.com/coyote-buttes.htm



http://www.zionnational-park.com/images/album2/images/cobra-arch-op_jpg.jpg

Cobra Arch

[DiscGo]

Tanya-
I like this picture. You look great!

[asdf]

I finally got some permits too, North for me on the 22nd of April.
They do have walk in permits so you may be able to get one for the north, but the south does look pretty cool.

[tanya]

I finally got some permits too, North for me on the 22nd of April.
They do have walk in permits so you may be able to get one for the north, but the south does look pretty cool.

Every time I have tried to get a walk in permit I have been able to do it. Its tough for those that don't live nearby though since you have to be there the day BEFORE. I would imagine it gets tougher as the weather gets warmer. If you try, be the first one there, by arriving just before the office opens.

The Wave and permit info.
http://www.zionnational-park.com/coyote-buttes-paria.htm

http://www.zionnational-park.com/images/album2/images/the_wave_w_jpg.jpg

[tanya]

Tanya-
I like this picture. You look great!


See how sweet you are! :oops:

[R]

Tanya-
I like this picture. You look great!


See how sweet you are! :oops:

He's right - you look way cool. I gotta tell you, there is nothing more attractive to an outdoorsperson than an attractive outdoorsperson of the opposite gender. Abby is overpoweringly attractive to me when we are in the wild. :nod:


http://richardbarron.net/galleries/sundance/14snapshots/CusterAbby02.jpg
http://richardbarron.net/galleries/sundance/14snapshots/AbbyBadlands01.jpg

[DiscGo]

There is nothing more attractive to an outdoorsperson than an attractive outdoorsperson of the opposite gender.

No kidding! I was talking to Ruth when we were first just friends and she was telling me about her new tent (that was better than mine). It was right about that time that my feelings for her started getting serious.

[gonzo]

You will need a 4WD to enjoy South Coyote Buttes. Here is a list of some interesting places you can visit there with your permit.

I was afraid that might be the case. I guess I'll have to rent some sort of 4x4 before I leave. Bleh.

Thanks for the link - it answers a lot of my questions. I really hope that I make it down there, it looks amazing.

[tanya]

There is nothing more attractive to an outdoorsperson than an attractive outdoorsperson of the opposite gender.

No kidding! I was talking to Ruth when we were first just friends and she was telling me about her new tent (that was better than mine). It was right about that time that my feelings for her started getting serious.

:oops: :oops: Thanks Guys. :nod:

Can you two teach Ice to be so sweet. :popcorn:

[tanya]

You will need a 4WD to enjoy South Coyote Buttes. Here is a list of some interesting places you can visit there with your permit.

I was afraid that might be the case. I guess I'll have to rent some sort of 4x4 before I leave. Bleh.

Thanks for the link - it answers a lot of my questions. I really hope that I make it down there, it looks amazing.


You could make it to Paw Hole and Cobra Arch without a 4WD. Those 2 hikes will make a wonderful day and you wont have to bother renting. A good driver can get to Paw Hole with a high clearance vehicle. After Paw Hole on the way to Cottonwood Teepees, White Pocket and Steamboat Rock it gets really sandy and a 4WD is a must.

[americanhero]

My travel partner and me will be at the Coyotes Buttes South on May, 29.
Someone else there in the area during this time?
The day before we will be at the White Pocket and we will stay there overnight. Has someone done this before in this area? I know, an overnight stay isn't allowed in the permit area of the CBS, but what about White Pocket?


Greetz,

Yvonne

[tanya]

My travel partner and me will be at the Coyotes Buttes South on May, 29.
Someone else there in the area during this time?
The day before we will be at the White Pocket and we will stay there overnight. Has someone done this before in this area? I know, an overnight stay isn't allowed in the permit area of the CBS, but what about White Pocket?


Greetz,

Yvonne

Welcome to the Group Lady :2thumbs:

I asked a ranger about that a few months ago while we were out there and he said you can camp outside of the permit area as long as you stay on a road that already exists. Don't make any new ones.

You might be more comfortable staying in the campground. There are four sites. 2 in arizona and 2 in Utah. Its the stateline campground. You can build a fire there and there are toilets and picnic tables. If you get a spot on the Arizona side there is even a nice gazebo. The sites are first come first use.

Since you are going to White Pockets you probably know the Coyote Buttes area well. Consider hiking out to the Wahweap Hoodoos while you are in the area. We camped out a few nights and saw a lot of the South Coyote Buttes area, but then also headed out the the Wahweap Hoodoos. May is a great time for that hike. Its too hot in the summer, just like Coyote Buttes.

White Pocket Info
http://www.zionnational-park.com/paria-white-pocket.htm

Wahweap Hoodoo Info
http://www.zionnational-park.com/wahweap-hoodoos.htm



http://www.zionnational-park.com/images/album2/images/white-pocket-x_jpg.jpg

White Pocket

[americanhero]

Cool Pic of the White Pocket in Winter!! :2thumbs:



You might be more comfortable staying in the campground. There are four sites. 2 in arizona and 2 in Utah. Its the stateline campground. You can build a fire there and there are toilets and picnic tables. If you get a spot on the Arizona side there is even a nice gazebo. The sites are first come first use.

I read about this stateline campground, Tanya. Thanks for your suggestion. At the moment I'm not sure, where we will camp. My idea is to go to the White Pocket area und stay there. For one night it will be okay.
And I think from there it's not that far to the Coyote Butte South Fee area, so we will save some time for the drive, when we combine these two highlights.



Consider hiking out to the Wahweap Hoodoos while you are in the area.

We also planned the hike to the Wahweap Hoodoos. They are looking gorgeous and last year was not enough time to go there. So I will see them this year, together with a visit to Sidestep Canyon.
We will be in the area for a few days, so we can do a lot of hikes and see some of the magnificant landscape around there.


Greetz,

Yvonne

[tanya]

Cool Pic of the White Pocket in Winter!! :2thumbs:

I read about this stateline campground, Tanya. Thanks for your suggestion. At the moment I'm not sure, where we will camp. My idea is to go to the White Pocket area und stay there. For one night it will be okay.
And I think from there it's not that far to the Coyote Butte South Fee area, so we will save some time for the drive, when we combine these two highlights.

We also planned the hike to the Wahweap Hoodoos. They are looking gorgeous and last year was not enough time to go there. So I will see them this year, together with a visit to Sidestep Canyon.
We will be in the area for a few days, so we can do a lot of hikes and see some of the magnificant landscape around there.


Greetz,

Yvonne

There is a fence on the way to White Pocket. At that fence is the sign that you are in the South Coyote Butte Permit area, but yes White Pocket is just outside of it. (for now)

Have you seen Steamboat Rock and Cobra Arch?
http://www.zionnational-park.com/coyote-buttes.htm




http://www.zionnational-park.com/images/album2/images/steamboat-rock-z_jpg.jpg

Steamboat Rock

[americanhero]

Have you seen Steamboat Rock and Cobra Arch?
http://www.zionnational-park.com/coyote-buttes.htm



http://www.zionnational-park.com/images/album2/images/steamboat-rock-z_jpg.jpg

Steamboat Rock


That's a real cool Pic. I see, I need more time for the area. :mrgreen:
Both, Cobra Arch and Steamboat Rock I haven't seen yet , I think that is something for my next trip into the area.
I'm not sure, how long we will need for the South Teepees and Paw Hole, but I always need a lot of time for all that pictures and strolls around in such areas.
How much time did you need from the Poverty Flat Ranch to reach the
Steamboat Rock Parking Area?


Greetz,

Yvonne

[tanya]

Have you seen Steamboat Rock and Cobra Arch?
http://www.zionnational-park.com/coyote-buttes.htm


Steamboat Rock


That's a real cool Pic. I see, I need more time for the area. :mrgreen:
Both, Cobra Arch and Steamboat Rock I haven't seen yet , I think that is something for my next trip into the area.
I'm not sure, how long we will need for the South Teepees and Paw Hole, but I always need a lot of time for all that pictures and strolls around in such areas.
How much time did you need from the Poverty Flat Ranch to reach the
Steamboat Rock Parking Area?


Greetz,

Yvonne

It's all right there in the same general area. I know what you mean about pictures. That takes a lot of time for me as well. I would say however, that in one VERY FULL day you could hit all of them and take photos as well. As long as you drive right to them and don't get lost or anything. You pass Paw Hole, then the same road past that heads to Steamboat and the Teepees. Cobra Arch is more over by the Wahweap Hoodoos.

[erial]

Just wanted to add to the info that Kris247 was seeking: You can easily navigate House Rock Rd in a 2wd passenger car when the road is dry or at least not waterlogged. When you reach the Paw Hole turn-off you can drive another half mile up that road past Lone Pine Reservoir to where deep sand in the road comes into play. There are several obvious spots to pull off and leave your car or even camp. It's about a 40-45 minute hike along the road/sandy track to get to the Paw Hole teepee formations. From the trailhead its only a 10 or 15 minute slog to get to the wave-like area. See Tanya's photo above. If you continue slogging another 1.5 mile or so in a northernly direction you'll reach a rim overlook where you can see the north teepees as well as the cottonwood teepees. If it's a cool day, you might amble on down the gentle slopes and hike on for a closer visit.

[gonzo]

Thanks for the information and pictures - it looks like we're going to have some great hiking down there. (And some great picture opportunities. Note to self: get a polarizing filter).

My permit is for the Lone Tree Trailhead. From what I've read on the Arizona BLM website (http://www.blm.gov/az/asfo/paria/coyote_buttes/driving.htm) I should be able to get there in a 2WD car (unless the road is wet).

We're planning on going down the weekend of March 31 - so I'm probably jumping the gun a bit with this thread. I'm just really excited to go.

[asdf]

I have permits for 2/22 for the north.
Tayna, what other sort hikes can we do in the area ? We hope to be in the area for a few days. I will have my 3 year old with me who has graduated from his child carrier (he is too heavy) he is slow but a slow but a great hiker.

More or less is am looking for a few short "weekend warrior" type hikes that are great a for a small child.

[tanya]

I have permits for 2/22 for the north.
Tanya, what other sort hikes can we do in the area ? We hope to be in the area for a few days. I will have my 3 year old with me who has graduated from his child carrier (he is too heavy) he is slow but a slow but a great hiker.

More or less is am looking for a few short "weekend warrior" type hikes that are great a for a small child.

Everything in South Coyote Buttes is good with a child along. Most of the work is 4wheeling to the trailhead. From there you just explore as much as you want, there is no real trail.

Cobra Arch is not too far of a hike either, but the trailhead is not near Paw Hole like the other South Coyote Butte Hikes.

The Wave is going to be a tough one for him, but he can do it with help. My guess is he is going to be tuckered out after that one.


Everything on this page is good with a toddler except maybe the Wave.
http://www.zionnational-park.com/coyote-buttes.htm

However unless you have a permit for South Coyote Buttes - Don't venture in the Cottonwood Teepee And Paw Hole area. The rangers out there do check just about everyone, every day.

If you want to go to the Wahweap Hoodoos, you could go in the back door and then its just a very short walk to the hoodoos. I don't tell many about it since the hike through the river is awesome and without much elevation gain. If this was the only hike you were doing for the day he could maybe do it. No permit is needed



http://www.zionnational-park.com/images/album2/images/white-pocket-a_jpg.jpg

White Pocket

[americanhero]

If you want to go to the Wahweap Hoodoos, you could go in the back door and then its just a very short walk to the hoodoos.

Is that the one via BLM 431? Maybe we will use this trail, if we will go further on to Yellow Rock that day. If not, we will hike through Wahweap Creek.



More or less is am looking for a few short "weekend warrior" type hikes that are great a for a small child.

What about the Toadstool Hoodoo? (hope, it is named the same than it is in Germany :? ) Trailhead starts across the Paria Contact Station at UT89 and from there it is just a mile or so to this longnecked Hoodoo.
I've been there last year and you can walk around in the area and discover a lot of Hoodoos in all sizes. They are not that special than the Wahweap Hoodoos but for a short stop this location is really fun.

[tanya]

If you want to go to the Wahweap Hoodoos, you could go in the back door and then its just a very short walk to the hoodoos.

Is that the one via BLM 431? Maybe we will use this trail, if we will go further on to Yellow Rock that day. If not, we will hike through Wahweap Creek.

Yes, that's it. Really miss the wonderful hiking part though. I also took it off my site since the monument really does not want people going this way.



More or less is am looking for a few short "weekend warrior" type hikes that are great a for a small child.

What about the Toadstool Hoodoo? (hope, it is named the same than it is in Germany :? ) Trailhead starts across the Paria Contact Station at UT89 and from there it is just a mile or so to this longnecked Hoodoo.
I've been there last year and you can walk around in the area and discover a lot of Hoodoos in all sizes. They are not that special than the Wahweap Hoodoos but for a short stop this location is really fun.

Yes! Those are perfect for families with small kids. Short walk to nice rock formations.

The Rimrock Hoodoos?

I have the description on the same page as the Wahweap Hoodoos. Look at the bottom of the page.

http://www.zionnational-park.com/wahweap-hoodoos.htm
http://www.zionnational-park.com/images/albums/index58.htm

It just dawned on me that I never made an album of the Rimrock Hoodoos! I need to do that! I have the photos.


http://www.zionnational-park.com/images/albums/images/white-hoodoo-a_jpg.jpg

Some interesting hoodoos near Road #431

[americanhero]

Yes, that's it. Really miss the wonderful hiking part though. I also took it off my site since the monument really does not want people going this way.

That's interesting. Some of my friends have tried this trail in fall and they also asked the rangers if it will be okay to use this way. They were told they could use it.
For me it doesn't matter if they don't like people around there any more. Then I will enjoy the long hike throughout the wonderful area of Wahweap Creek.




Yes! Those are perfect for families with small kids. Short walk to nice rock formations.

The Rimrock Hoodoos?

I have the description on the same page as the Wahweap Hoodoos. Look at the bottom of the page.

Jepp, I mean the Rimrock Hoodoos. On your page are pics of some of them I have seen last year.

[Lynn Ross]

I found this thread by accident and it was the best accident I have had. I would like to know how far the hike from Lone Tree Junction is to Paw Hole, I know that you have to have a permit to go there and I don't have a 4x4 to help with getting there I see by a map that it's not to far, or so it seems. Any help with this question would be greatly appreciated.

This is the map that shows how far it seems to be.
synnatschke.de/cbs/cbs-white-pocket-topo-map* add Jpeg to the end and www to the front of...

the * is a . just to get you an idea of what I mean, and if this is not allowed I'm deeply sorry for it .... I'm just trying to get info... Please inform me as to my ignorance
Ok I see that I'm not allowed to post links yet

Lynn

[Richie]

This is the map that shows how far it seems to be.
synnatschke.de/cbs/cbs-white-pocket-topo-map* add Jpeg to the end and www to the front of...

One of my favourite websites :mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:. I don't know how many miles it is to hike, but I've read the trail report that someone posted on his website and he wrote that it took them 70 minutes to hike from Lone Tree to Paw Hole. From looking at the Topo Map I would say that it's between 3-4 miles so this could be correct. Another idea: If you have permits but no 4WD you could book a guided tour with Steve from Paria Outpost. We did that and it was great. We did a whole day trip, visiting Paw Hole, Cottonwood Teepees and White Pocket. It was $175 each (including some lunch and a barbecue in the evening) and it was really worth the money.

Richie

[tanya]

Your camera would LOVE the Waheap Hoodoos. If you have a 4WD you can do the short cut. I am not sure the actual hike there is doable in February and with a kid. It's miserable in the summer when its too hot, but winter there might be water and be too cold. I have not done it winter yet. Spring and Fall are best. You could do Cobra Arch and if you can get to it, Willis Creek on Skutumpah Road but I would go in from Cannyonville rather than Glendale this time of year. those are my favorites all all close to Coyote Buttes. I also love buckskin and you can just get a $5 permit at the trailhead and go as far as you want. There are some nice petroglyphs near the start. If you want to visit South you can usually get a permit that day.

http://www.zionnational-park.com/coyote-buttes.htm
http://www.zionnational-park.com/gshike.htm

North Coyote Buttes itself has a lot to explore. Melody Arch and Top Rock Arch would be scary with a young child, but you can find the grotto and dinosaur tracks. There are many rocks named out there like hamburger rock, and double arch to look for as well.


http://www.zionnational-park.com/coyote-buttes-paria.htm


I should look at the dates on something and if I already answered before posting. lol

[Lynn Ross]

Thank you Richie and Tanya, good info I did a check on my GPS unit's map and it by the 4x4's road is about 3 miles, I was wondering about across country trekking. Don't know what the terrain looks like and don't want to guess...
Thanks again....
Lynn