Canyoneering Weekend (update)

[rockgremlin]

Got a trip planned for the last weekend of February (Feb 24th). So far, the plan is Lomatium in Arches, and Medieval Chamber, or possibly something within the vicinity of Fisher Towers.

I'm camping at the trailhead Friday Feb 23, and going through till Sunday.

Kazak has committed. Others are welcome. Marc? Kyrell? Sign up if you're interested.

[rockgremlin]

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[marc olivares]

i'm thinkin' that sat might work for me. but i cant commit at this point cause the wife is out of town for most of that week, so i'll need to run it by her.

i'd be interested in doing Lomation w/ a blimp hanger exit on sat.
most likely my wife will want to come too if i can make it work.
she loves the furnace, and the last time i went there without her i was shamed w/ heavy guilt... :nono:

[rockgremlin]

Well bring 'er along. The more the merrier. :2thumbs:

[Iceaxe]

she loves the furnace, and the last time i went there without her i was shamed w/ heavy guilt... :nono:

I didn't see a whole lot of guilt..... I but I did see ya kickin' back with the boys drinkin' beer and eating pizza :five:
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[Cirrus2000]

I didn't see a whole lot of guilt..... I but I did see ya kickin' back with the boys drinkin' beer and eating pizza :five:
.
Isn't that how guys express guilt? :nod:

[marc olivares]

I didn't see a whole lot of guilt..... I but I did see ya kickin' back with the boys drinkin' beer and eating pizza :five:
.

hey man, dont judge me... that's how i express guilt. :haha:


:2thumbs:

[nosivad_bor]

I forgot about that pizza. Didn't Shane have the girly beer? :haha:

Thought you were going further south than that, I guess plans change in 4 hrs...

Now I'm really gealous.

-Rob

[accadacca]

Hey nosivad_bor,

Not to hijack the thread, but can you explain your avatar?

[nosivad_bor]

Hey nosivad_bor,

Not to hijack the thread, but can you explain your avatar?

Well, it's not hard to explain. Just a heavy set lady pushing her buggy through the grocery store. The mundane can be fun on an outdoor forum.

http://www.designboom.com/eng/funclub/duanehanson.html

FYI nosivad_bor=rob_davison

:cool2:

[Iceaxe]

I forgot about that pizza. Didn't Shane have the girly beer? :haha:

:slobber: MMMMmmmmm.... Apricot Hefeweizen :slobber:

:cheers:

[B]

I'm with this guy ^^^^^

Girly or not, apricot hefe is good stuff.

[rockgremlin]

^^Update^^

I just got back from hiking around in the Fiery Furnace in Arches. I wanted to find the entrance to Lomatium before we do it on the 24th. The top secret directions I received were dead on!!! Thanks again to (classified) for doing the legwork on this. Looks like a fun trip coming up!

My friend Dan has also signed up. So far, the group is at three people.

[shaggy125]

You doing Lomation on Saturday (the 24th)? I might be willing to do a one day mad dash down to Moab and back since I've wanted to do that one for a while. I have a school clinical thing on Sunday, but that Saturday is one of my precious few days off this month.

Eric.

[rockgremlin]

You doing Lomation on Saturday (the 24th)? I might be willing to do a one day mad dash down to Moab and back since I've wanted to do that one for a while. I have a school clinical thing on Sunday, but that Saturday is one of my precious few days off this month.

Eric.

Well come on down! The plan is Lomatium on Saturday the 24th, and then either Medieval Chamber or something else on Sunday. We made it from the Fiery Furnace parking area up to the drop-in to Lomatium in about 40 minutes, and the canyon itself doesn't look too long. We could probably be through it in under four hours easy.

Marc may or may not be coming along too. Group size is looking to be around 5-6 people right now (Me, Alex, Dan, Eric, Marc, Marc's wife).

[Alex]

rock, I drove to Fiery Furnace at 2:30pm, didn't see your truck :( The weather was too awesome then!

[rockgremlin]

rock, I drove to Fiery Furnace at 2:30pm, didn't see your truck :( The weather was too awesome then!

Ya, no worries. I got there at around 3:30.

[icthys]

Hmm, go have fun with you guys or take the scouts to the Klondike derby?

Do you still have room for one more?

[Alex]

itchys, I don't know who is all going from SLC, as far as I know, I am the only one. I can pick you up on the way if you want. I am planning on heading down Friday after work, spending the night in the motel6 and then meeting up with rock and the gang on Saturday morning and camping it on Saturday.

[rockgremlin]

Hmm, go have fun with you guys or take the scouts to the Klondike derby?

Do you still have room for one more?

:haha: You mean you don't just looooove the Klondike derby?! :haha:

Sure, come on down. Glad to have ya.

I think we'll cap this group at 7 members (you being the seventh). So far it's me, Kazak, Icthys, Dan, Marc, his wife, and Eric.

[icthys]

itchys, I don't know who is all going from SLC, as far as I know, I am the only one. I can pick you up on the way if you want. I am planning on heading down Friday after work, spending the night in the motel6 and then meeting up with rock and the gang on Saturday morning and camping it on Saturday.

Sounds like a plan.

[Don]

If Beta were available I would read about the canyon before asking about beginners

[Brewhaha]

Just out of curiosity - is Lomatium in the park? Does the Park Service have any problem with canyoneering in the park?

I ask because there are lots of arches off the beaten path that I would like to visit but I don't know if I can just go off exploring on my own.

[Iceaxe]

If Beta were available

Lomation is dry (or maybe ankle deep at one spot), takes about 1/2 day. The actual slot is only a couple hundred yards long. Both rappels are free hanging. The major difficulties are route finding and rigging the first rappel. The rappel is a real bitch to rig and not leave 80' of webbing or have difficult rope pulls.

The route is suitable for beginners with competent leadership. Small groups of 6 or less are advised (less impact and easier to fly under the NPS radar).

A map, compass and/or GPS are worthless for this route. After doing the route you will understand why :nod:

:cool2:

[rockgremlin]

The latest update is...

Group is at 6 members. Me, Alex, Marc, Marc's friend, Dan, Eric

We're meeting at Arches VC at 9:00 am. We're gonna hit Lomatium and Tierdrop (or Belly of the Whale, or Blimp Hangar, or whatever else you wanna call it).

Sunday still looks good for Medieval Chamber.

[ratagonia]

Just out of curiosity - is Lomatium in the park? Does the Park Service have any problem with canyoneering in the park?

I ask because there are lots of arches off the beaten path that I would like to visit but I don't know if I can just go off exploring on my own.

Lomatium is inside the Park, and inside the Fiery Furnace, an environmentally sensitive area. The Park does not, per se, have an issue with canyoneering in the Park. But, a couple things you cannot do:

1. Climb (or canyoneer) on any named arch (on the USGS map).

2. Endanger other people, which means you cannot rappel above a highly used trail, where you might knock rocks down on the tourists.

3. trample crypto soil, or otherwise have adverse impacts.

they also discourage getting lost and needing rescue, which is one reason for the careful concern about people going into the FF - it is an easy place to get lost.

Tom

[shaggy125]

The latest update is...

Group is at 6 members. Me, Alex, Marc, Marc's friend, Dan, Eric

We're meeting at Arches VC at 9:00 am. We're gonna hit Lomatium and Tierdrop (or Belly of the Whale, or Blimp Hangar, or whatever else you wanna call it).

Sunday still looks good for Medieval Chamber.

So meet at 9:00, then we pay our $6.00 (or however much it is), watch the "don't step on the black dirt" video, then off to the furnace right? I'm in for Saturday, but still have my school clinical thing on Sunday so I'll be driving back Saturday night.

Eric.

[rockgremlin]

The latest update is...

Group is at 6 members. Me, Alex, Marc, Marc's friend, Dan, Eric

We're meeting at Arches VC at 9:00 am. We're gonna hit Lomatium and Tierdrop (or Belly of the Whale, or Blimp Hangar, or whatever else you wanna call it).

Sunday still looks good for Medieval Chamber.

So meet at 9:00, then we pay our $6.00 (or however much it is), watch the "don't step on the black dirt" video, then off to the furnace right? I'm in for Saturday, but still have my school clinical thing on Sunday so I'll be driving back Saturday night.

Eric.


Correct. I think the fee is actually $4.00

See you then.

[marc olivares]

any chance we can get an earlier start?

say 8-ish when the office opens?

[shaggy125]

I'd be down for an earlier start.

[marc olivares]

eric, you need a ride, i'm probably heading down friday night late, camp primitive off of 313, and head back saturday evening.

[rockgremlin]

8:00am is fine

Do you copy that Alex?

[Alex]

That's fine, I was going to drive down Saturday morning, but getting up at 4am is sucky, so I will be down there Friday night then and meet you guys at 8am. At the ranger station right?

Should we meet for breakfast at Denny's at 7?

[rockgremlin]

Meet at the Arches Nat'l Park visitor's center. Bring me some pancakes from Denny's -- I'll eat em on the trail. :mrgreen:

[marc olivares]

Should we meet for breakfast at Denny's at 7?


breakfast? :roflol:

oh man you need to go out with Shane some more.
he'll break you of that habit fast!

[Alex]

Well see Shane likes to get going by 7 right? So that means I can get up at 6 and still get breakfast :nod:

BTW, marc, where are you camping Friday night?

[shaggy125]

eric, you need a ride, i'm probably heading down friday night late, camp primitive off of 313, and head back saturday evening.

That would work, or I can give you a ride, either way works for me. I get off work at around 7:30 pm Friday, but can have all my stuff ready to go so I can leave as soon as I am off. When were you planning on leaving? Would be nice to split gas, let me know either on here or at ericgodfrey AT gmail DOT com.

[Alex]

The weather is looking good for the weekend! I am psyched! :2thumbs: :banana: :rockit:

[Mark Schnupp]

Newbie here with a strong back.

Hey Rock...I would love to join you guy's if you have room, I have done Medieval Chamber but not Lomatium.

Now as I understand it, the new guy has to prove himself to the group. So I purpose to carry all the rope both day's. And let it be known that I do enjoy a malt beverage after canyoneering, so there will be a limited selection for those who also partake.

What do you think?

Mark

[rockgremlin]

Hmmmm...if you wanna go with us, you have to pass this canyoneering quiz:

1) Who is the Emperor?

2) Your anchor fails while you are on rappel. You are 95 feet from the canyon bottom, there is no wind, and it is a free-hanging rappel. What is your velocity when you strike the canyon bottom? (in feet/second)

3) How many slot canyons are featured on Climb-Utah.com?

4) If Jane tramples twice as much cryptobiotic soil as Susan, but not half as much as Jason, how much more cryptobiotic soil will she have to trample before the NPS closes public access to the Fiery Furnace?

5) What cheese goes best with apricot hefe-weizen?


This quiz must be completed in 20 minutes. I'm timing you.

Good luck!

[Iceaxe]

breakfast?

What is this "Beakfest" that you speak of?

:lol8:

[Mark Schnupp]

1. Please. Tom Jones

2. I have no idea. But what I can give you is this:

After 1 second you would have fallen 16 feet

2 seconds=64 feet
3 seconds=144 feet

You will not reach terminal velocity (293 ft/sec or 200 mph) for 9.1 seconds or 1341 feet

3. Are you including Behunin? Shane techanically doesn't call it a slot canyon.


4. Very little. They are Ultra-sensitive.

5. Presidental Brie with a little smoked salmon

[Iceaxe]

3. Are you including Behunin? Shane techanically doesn't call it a slot canyon.

:2thumbs: I like this guy.... take him with you....

:popcorn:

[Alex]

breakfast?

What is this "Beakfest" that you speak of?

:lol8:

Hey itchy and I managed to cook something while you were getting up.... :cool2:

[rockgremlin]

3. Are you including Behunin? Shane techanically doesn't call it a slot canyon.

:2thumbs: I like this guy.... take him with you....

:popcorn:

Concur. I really liked all of his responses, but unfortunately, he was 31 seconds late. :lol8:

So, you're sick of all the snow Colorado has been getting huh? We had a cancellation earlier this week (Icthys), so you can take his spot. Arches VC @ 8:00 am. See you there.

[Alex]

The more the merrier!

So whoever is spending the Friday night down there camping, where will you be?

[Mark Schnupp]

Thanks Shane. You should be recieving my membership to circle of friends any day.

I was not 31 seconds late!!! Look at the post times.

Yes, I am sick of the snow. Vail reported 39" new from 2/12-2/16. Incredible skiing/snowmobiling except the backcountry is so dangerous that you are limited to very specific aspects. We set off an avalance on Sunday in the Flattop's that nearly killed a skier. The silver lining: He was OK after a few tense minutes, and I got to use my beacon, shovel, and probe in real life scenerio.

Don't want to do that again...think all go canyoneering.

Mark

[Iceaxe]

If you guys can squeeze me in I'll join your merry band of misfits.

Anyone want to share a ride down Friday night? I can come back Saturday or Sunday night.

I'm thinking sleep in Green River. A room at the local flea bag is $30 (that's only $15 bucks each for two). Hardly seems worth packing a sleeping bag for $15. I think the Redrock in Moab is $35.

:popcorn:

[Alex]

A few weeks ago I stayed at Motel6 for 32 bucks I believe. Shane, I am leaving Friday around 5pm or so, I can give you a ride. I am coming back Sunday.

marc is leaving around 7pm I believe? Not sure if they are camping or moteling.

Let me know if you want to catch a ride with me.

[rockgremlin]

I think Shane has reached such lofty status that he need not ask permission to join any canyoneering party....

....that said....


...welcome aboard...see you at Arches, 8:00am. :2thumbs:

[Iceaxe]

Let me know if you want to catch a ride with me.

Are you camping or motel?

.

[Alex]

Up to you, I was going to camp it since I was going solo (I sleep in my car), but if you want to motel it, it's fine with me too.

[Alex]

Justin, I talked to Shane and he said that most people are leaving Saturday? Are we still doing a slot on Sunday? And if we are, are you camping Saturday night or going home?

[Mark Schnupp]

Rock

What's the correct answer to #2 on the canyoneering Quiz? Please show your work.

I am definitely in for Sunday as well. I will also be bringing my mtn bike and climbing gear if anyone is interested? 5.10/5.11 climber, but I do not posses the pro to lead these pitches.

[marc olivares]

i still plan on camping pending weather conditions.

if it's raining when we get to green river, maybe Shane's hourly motel wont be so bad.
i'll be leaving around 8:00-8:30 ish and returning home on sat.
Shane i'll have space, unless you go w/ alex.

Eric, why dont we plan for me to just get you after you get off work.

[Iceaxe]

Dang.... by 8:30 I hope to be sipping beer at Ray's and dazzling the local Green River babes with tales of my greatness. :2thumbs:

:roflol: :roflol: :roflol:

OK.... here is how I understand things. Alex wants to camp with the boys Saturday night, if they are camping. If Alex wants to camp Saturday night I might hitch a ride home with you if that's cool.... it doesn't really matter to me one way or the other. I just want to get out of town and get some sandstone....

:nod:

[Scott P]

What's the correct answer to #2 on the canyoneering Quiz?

It would depend on the person and what they are wearing. It also would depend on how the person falls. Let me give an example. A skydiver falling will accelerate to approximately to 120 mph with arms outstretched, but 200 mph if the arms are brough inward to the body. It depends on the fall. The junior high level equation of 32 feet per second squared has no bearing to reality in real world situations.

You would have to be pretty smart to figure it out.

[Alex]

Shane, I don't want to run you off by any means dude! I will split the cost of the motel for Saturday if you are staying. I will just bring my camping vehicle if it ends up to be like that, besides I have XM radio in it, so it will be funner to get down there.

[marc olivares]

Eric doesn't get off work until 7:30, so i'm thinkin' we'll just leave after we get him, besides, you know me, i'd rather sit by a fire and sip a highbrow beer.
so it sounds like you'll be down there before us, if Alex wants to camp, then find us a spot he can get to easily. there's some great primitive camping off of 313, about 4 miles passed the big switchback in the Bartlett Flats area. up against the mesa. lots of fire rings etc.

yeah you can ride home w/ me.

[shaggy125]

Eric, why dont we plan for me to just get you after you get off work.

OK, or I can meet at your place if that's easier. I get off at around 7:30 (I usually leave a little before) and can head straight to wherever you want to meet. Name the place and I'm there.

[Iceaxe]

I'm just thinking if we motel it Friday night I'll have time to stop for breakfast in the morning.

:roflol: :roflol: :roflol:

[Alex]

I'm just thinking if we motel it Friday night I'll have time to stop for breakfast in the morning.

:roflol: :roflol: :roflol:

You had me at "breakfast".... :five:

[Iceaxe]

You had me at "breakfast".... :five:

....... :toofunny: :toofunny: :toofunny: :toofunny:

So long as you can live on Gatorade, jerky and powered donuts that shouldn't be a problem.... The breakfest of Champions. :2thumbs:

[Alex]

If we are stopping at GS on Friday, I am hitting BK on the way out of town :cool2:

PS: Last time you told me about Gatorade and jerky... and that's what I brought, just to see everyone else pull out full on lunches with tuna fish and mayo! I ain't listening to you no more :nono:

[shaggy125]

I'll have my can of Chef-boy-ardee... and I'll have you all converted by the end of the trip! :toofunny:

[marc olivares]

PS: Last time you told me about Gatorade and jerky... and that's what I brought, just to see everyone else pull out full on lunches with tuna fish and mayo! I ain't listening to you no more :nono:

:roflol:
he told you that, cause that's what HE eats.
he's a walking garbage disposal.
i on the other hand will be sporting some smoked salmon, aged french Basque cheese, chibatta rolls and balsamic vinegarette. maybe some fresh asparagus w/ lemon zest.
:ne_nau:

[Alex]

:slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :eek1:

[rockgremlin]

Rock

What's the correct answer to #2 on the canyoneering Quiz? Please show your work.

I am definitely in for Sunday as well. I will also be bringing my mtn bike and climbing gear if anyone is interested? 5.10/5.11 climber, but I do not posses the pro to lead these pitches.


No, I was actually fairly impressed with your answer - it was spot on (give or take a few feet).

[Scott P]

it was spot on (give or take a few feet).

Well, sort of. Just because the falling climber does not reach terminal velocity does not mean that there is no drag. Also spot on implies something more specific than anywhere between two and three seconds. (Sorry, I'm an engineer so am picky. No offence is meant to anyone :2thumbs: ).

Anyway, without drag the correct equation is as follows:

d=v[i]*t+1/2*a*t^2

-95.0 ft = (0 f/s)*(t) + 0.5*(-32.2 feet/s^2)*t^2

-95.0 ft= (0 ft) *(t) + (-16.1 ft/s^2)*t^2

-95.0 ft = (-16.1 ft/s^2)*t^2

(-95.0 ft)/(-16.1 ft/s^2) = t^2

5.90s^2 = t^2

t = 2.43 seconds

However, this is just a standard junior high school equation. It isn't accurate unless you are in a vacuum. Wind drag won't have too much effect on such a "small" fall, but it is enough to add many hundreths of a second, or perhaps even tenths of a second depending on the fall, clothes worn, etc. The above Junior high answer is inaccurate in real life situations.

At a minimum the following equation should be applied:

D = 1/2*Cd*r*v^2*a

Good luck finding Cd and A for an individual person. More trouble than it's worth. Better to just shove them off the cliff and forget about it. :roll:

[Iceaxe]

Well, sort of. Just because the falling climber does not reach terminal velocity does not mean that there is no drag.

This reminds me of the difference between math and engineering.....

The mathematician: states that if you tie a string to the mailbox and keep shortening the distance by 1/2 you will never get to the mailbox.

The Engineers says: I don't really give a shit, because I'll get close enough to get my mail.

Or....

Scott says... yada,yada...

Shane says.... if I toss scott off the top of the cliff and use a stop watch to see how many seconds it takes for Scott to hit the ground I can tell you how high the cliff is within a couple of feet....

:cool2:

:lol8:

[rockgremlin]

:lol8: Exactly. My comment "good to within a few feet" is good enough IMO because the drop is less than 100 feet. If we were talking about hundreds of feet, drag + the other variables mentioned would play a major factor.

[Scott P]

Actually my only qualm was with the phase "spot on". I completely agree with the phrase "close enough" if that was the phrased used. There is a difference between the two. :nono:


if I toss scott off the top of the cliff and use a stop watch to see how many seconds it takes for Scott to hit the ground I can tell you how high the cliff is within a couple of feet


Hmmmm, some things to keep in mind.

1. I weight 230 now. Don't want to strain your arms or back too much, so be careful.

2. Since I weigh so much, it's going to leave a heck of a mess in the canyon and at the bottom of the drop. The logical thing to do would be to tie me up, but then leave a pull cord and then get the rest of the group down. That way you could get out of the way and then use the pull cord to pull me down. If you threw me off from the top, you would have a mess to wade through after reppeling the drop. The method above is actually the logical solution. :bootyshake:

PS, I'm just teasin' you all. :twisted: It's only fair.

[Iceaxe]

The method above is actually the logical solution.

http://www.fenice.info/i/spock.jpg

[Scott P]

At least that's better than all the "beam me up Scotty" jokes that I get all the time. :2thumbs:

[benlittle]

Hey guys, I'm Marc's friend Ben. Looking forward to meeting you all :mrgreen:

[Iceaxe]

OK Rock.... it's snowing like a matha' up here is the City of Salt. How are things looking in Moab?

:popcorn:

[Alex]

http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstraveler/weekend/USUT0165?from=36hr_topnav_business

Looks good to me! :2thumbs:

Also, looking at this link:

http://weather.kutv.com/auto/kutvV2/Region/Southwest/2xRadar.html

Looks like the precipitations are dieing out....possibly a lake effect this morning?

[rockgremlin]

It's a little after 9:00 am, and the skies outside are.....hold on, let me look out the window.....partly cloudy, a little breezy, and it's 41 degrees.

Keep in mind, these are the conditions here at the mine, which is approximately 45 miles southeast of Moab, and we're at 6400 feet. In Moab, weather conditions are typically better -- usually 10 degrees warmer.

So far, we're not seeing any of the weather you're experiencing in SLC right now. It's actually sunny outside right now.

I'll keep you posted throughout the day...

[rockgremlin]

Little after 10:00am...

The wind has picked up. Gusts of up to 25 mph maybe?

Temperature is now 42 degrees.

There is a band of darker clouds hovering directly over the La Sals, and the clouds seem to be moving due east. Immediately over Moab and farther west there is only scattered lighter-colored clouds.

Still sunny and partly cloudy here at the mine.

I'll keep this thread updated on the hour. So far, I aint scared. :2thumbs:

[Alex]

weather.com says it will be t-storms in Moab today, but Saturday and Sunday looks great!

[Iceaxe]

As long as we don't have snow sticking to the ground we are golden. If it rains like a mother Rock and I have a great route, I've also done Medieval while it was flashing and it's a blast.

:2thumbs:

[rockgremlin]

Slightly past 11:00 am...

Still partly cloudy and windy here at the mine.

Temperature is now 44 degrees.

The darker looking clouds over the La Sals has now expanded, and it appears like there may be some rain in Moab right now. I doubt that it is cold enough for that precip to turn to snow, since it's 44 degrees here, and its generally 10 degrees warmer in Moab.

Partly cloudy and tamer conditions to the south of here.

[Alex]

We could use the visuals as well Justin..... see what you can do about that. :five:

[rockgremlin]

We could use the visuals as well Justin..... see what you can do about that. :five:

:lol8: Hey what's it doing in SLC right now?

[rockgremlin]

Noon...

Still windy, and overcast.

Temperature has dropped to 40 degrees.

[rockgremlin]

1:00 pm...

Overcast and still windy. Temperature has dropped to 37 degrees.

Brief snow squalls blow in for about 5 minutes, then blow out. No accumulation.

[rockgremlin]

2:00...

Breezy, and overcast. Temperature is now down to 32 degrees.

Snow accumulation is at 0.5 - 1.0 inch. Two of my co-workers made calls to their spouses at home recently (one in La Sal, one in Moab). Reports coming in from La Sal say that it is not snowing, and is partly cloudy. The report out of Moab 20 minutes ago said that it was raining.

[Alex]

3:07pm and no update????? rock!!!! You are slacking, bro! :ne_nau: :frustrated:

[price1869]

http://redcliffslodge.com/webcam/

[rockgremlin]

Sorry, I was out in the field.

Almost 4:00pm, and I got some good news. The temps have risen to 35 degrees, the wind has died way down, the skies are mostly sunny, and all snow accumulation has melted. Things are clearing up, and looking really good.



That webcam is pretty cool.

[price1869]

That webcam is pretty cool.

I'm the most spectacular person in the world.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/30/64238235_59c9e24c0e.jpg

[rockgremlin]

That webcam is pretty cool.

I'm a dork.


Yes, you are! :haha:

[Alex]

Well, this trip totally rocked! I can barely walk right now and my arms are kinda numb, but I am already looking forward to the next group with the gang!

Pics are uploading as I am typing this.

[tanya]

Well, this trip totally rocked! I can barely walk right now and my arms are kinda numb, but I am already looking forward to the next group with the gang!

Pics are uploading as I am typing this.


Alex! You are a tease! Where are they. :ne_nau: Maybe you fell asleep early.... exhaustion or something. :lol8:

[Alex]

yeah, I've had weekends like that too, except it didn't involve being outdoors. :naughty:

Umm, so how come you didn't show up then? Ice and I had the hotel room all ready to go.... :ne_nau:

[tanya]

Great Shots Kazak! I like these of you. :popcorn:

http://utahbp.com/albums/album06/IMGP0795.sized.jpg



http://utahbp.com/albums/album06/IMGP0596.sized.jpg

[tanya]

yeah, I've had weekends like that too, except it didn't involve being outdoors. :naughty:

Umm, so how come you didn't show up then? Ice and I had the hotel room all ready to go.... :ne_nau:

I didn't get the invite. :ne_nau:

Ice, Kazak and Wilma..... I want to go!!!!

[rockgremlin]

yeah, I've had weekends like that too, except it didn't involve being outdoors. :naughty:

Umm, so how come you didn't show up then? Ice and I had the hotel room all ready to go.... :ne_nau:

I didn't get the invite. :ne_nau:

You'll notice earlier in this thread that Mark asked to come, and we obliged him.

Initiative Wilma, initiative...

[tanya]

yeah, I've had weekends like that too, except it didn't involve being outdoors. :naughty:

Umm, so how come you didn't show up then? Ice and I had the hotel room all ready to go.... :ne_nau:

I didn't get the invite. :ne_nau:

You'll notice earlier in this thread that Mark asked to come, and we obliged him.

Initiative Wilma, initiative...

Attention Ladies!

I am told this new Mark is a Major HOTTIE and single too!!!

[rockgremlin]

Here's a brief description of Mark:

-Extremely knowledgeable about climbing/hiking/canyoneering...very experienced.

-Very fun to have around. Really outgoing, and funny.

-He sounds exactly like Adam Corolla.

I think he has a girlfriend already....sorry ladies...

[tanya]

Here's a brief description of Mark:

-Extremely knowledgeable about climbing/hiking/canyoneering...very experienced.

-Very fun to have around. Really outgoing, and funny.

-He sounds exactly like Adam Corolla.

I think he has a girlfriend already....sorry ladies...


He can't have 2 or 3? :naughty:

[Alex]

Ya Mark was a great companion, lucky for us that he came, since he had a rope long enough to easily get down a few canyons.

I am looking forward the next outing with the same people, great group!

[Alex]

Here's a brief description of Mark:

-Extremely knowledgeable about climbing/hiking/canyoneering...very experienced.

-Very fun to have around. Really outgoing, and funny.

-He sounds exactly like Adam Corolla.

I think he has a girlfriend already....sorry ladies...


He can't have 2 or 3? :naughty:

Ya no kidding, this is uUTAH.com afterall!

[tanya]

3. Are you including Behunin? Shane techanically doesn't call it a slot canyon.

:2thumbs: I like this guy.... take him with you....

:popcorn:


He does seem likable. :popcorn: Notice he did not say HE does not consider Behunin a slot canyon. :haha:

[Iceaxe]

You just wait.... we are going to post a new Moab route we are calling "Behunin West". :haha:

Most people know the route as Teirdrop.... but we found this really cool 3 miles extra of sand slogging so it feels more like Behunin.

:popcorn:

[tanya]

You just wait.... we are going to post a new Moab route we are calling "Behunin West". :haha:

Most people know the route as Teirdrop.... but we found this really cool 3 miles extra of sand slogging so it feels more like Behunin.

:popcorn:


Sort of like mud wrestling when its wet. That could be fun. :haha:

[Alex]

You just wait.... we are going to post a new Moab route we are calling "Behunin West". :haha:

Most people know the route as Teirdrop.... but we found this really cool 3 miles extra of sand slogging so it feels more like Behunin.

:popcorn:

:roflol: :roflol: :roflol: :lol8: :lol8: :lol8:

OMG Shane, I laughed out loud here in the office, people ran in to see what was so funny..... good one!

[marc olivares]

i thought you said that was a character building exercise, Shane

boy, i'm brimming w/ character now.... :haha:

[Iceaxe]

I just wanted you guys to get the full "Behunin" experience. :haha:

[accadacca]

So how many canyons did you guys do then...I want more pictures dammit. :naughty:

[Alex]

We had 4 cameras going and shaggy was doing a movie. So I am sure the guys will post their pics, the rest of the pics are here http://utahbp.com/album06 I am still sorting them.

We did total of 3 different routes. I will let Shane take all the glory in his write up, I am eager to see it as well :2thumbs:

[rockgremlin]

We actually did 3 different canyoneering routes:

Lomatium

Tierdrop

and a new one that I'll call "Big Horn"

If I can get summore photos from Ice and/or Marc and/or Eric, I could post a TR for either Tierdrop or Big Horn.

[Iceaxe]

Go ahead and post a short TR for Teirdrop and Big Horn. We can add our pictures to the thread.

I'll post complete route descriptions to Climb-Utah when I get some free time, but that is at least a few days off.

I'm planning on breaking out "The Tunnel" as a separate route because it is hiker friendly and requires no tech gear.

:popcorn:

[marc olivares]

i pm'd a zip file link of my photos to everyone.
feel free to use any of my shots.

[price1869]

There's all of mine: http://www.flickr.com/photos/price1869/sets/72157594558292806/detail/

I'll make a cd for anyone who doesn't want to download them all.

Price

[Scott Card]

What is the set up going on in Picture 1703 with the two ropes on one anchor? Just curious. :popcorn:

[Alex]

The rest of the guys probably can explain better, but my answer is faster!

It was a setup to retrieve both the rope and the anchor webbing. We had two pull cords going.

Now wait for an expert answer on this :popcorn:

[Scott Card]

The rest of the guys probably can explain better, but my answer is faster!

It was a setup to retrieve both the rope and the anchor webbing. We had two pull cords going.

Now wait for an expert answer on this :popcorn:

Ahhh, I see that now. I couldn't see what the sling(s) were attached to. Nicely done ghosting!

[benlittle]

This was a sweet first trip. Needless to say... I'm hooked :ne_nau:

[tanya]

Wonderful photos and video guys and 2 new men to boot. :haha:

[Mark Schnupp]

Hey All,

Thanks for a great weekend. Rock, thanks for setting this up and allowing me to join. You guy's are definitely a credit to the sport, and I look forward to many day's in-canyon with all of you.

Olivares, Little. Keep your feet dry and don't touch the handle!! Marc, I may use that story...all try to give you credit if I do.

Shane. "This guy couldn't find his way out of a wet paper bag!!" Kidding Shane...your the man. Thanks for showing me some new stuff.

Rock and Price. Let's get-er-done this summer. You know what I'm talk'n about.

Shaggy: The most gifted down climber of us all. Didn't we get that on video?

And of course, Alex, the nicest guy there, and only one who would talk to me the first day. The rest of them shunned me, unless of course they needed the rope. We newbies have to stick together Alex.

Later

Mark[/quote]

[Alex]

I am sure glad you joined us Mark! BTW....we really need to change that nick.... :nod: to you know.... :nod: .... 6INCH! :lol8:

[Scott Card]

Besides the good canyoneering stuff in this thread, this has been interesting to see, in writing and photos, the evolution of a trip and how to include newbies. Always fun to read the planning, the smack talk, the post trip excitement, more smack etc. Nicely done everyone. :2thumbs:

[Mark Schnupp]

I don't know Kazak. It's a little suggestive...and quite frankly a major over statement.

[Mark Schnupp]

Tanya,

Thanks for all the nice comments, you know how to make someonw feel right at home. I'm blushing.

[tanya]

Tanya,

Thanks for all the nice comments, you know how to make someonw feel right at home. I'm blushing.

Blame that on your canyoneering buddies for building you up to me. :five: I heard and saw good things from them. Love those photos!

[Iceaxe]

I want you guys to know. The first night back I had a nightmare about being trapped in a dirty gas station bathroom.... I'm not kidding... :nono:

:five:

[Mark Schnupp]

That doesn't suprise me Ice. My math isn't very good, but there was a lot of guy's in that motel room Saturday night....I'm just say'n.

[Alex]

That doesn't suprise me Ice. My math isn't very good, but there was a lot of guy's in that motel room Saturday night....I'm just say'n.

Umm, Mark... what are you trying to say? I did invite ya..... about 6 times, but you refused! :lol8:


Blame that on your canyoneering buddies for building you up to me. Five I heard and saw good things from them. Love those photos!

Ummm...... :whistling:

[Sombeech]

That webcam is pretty cool.

I love the weathercams. We keep losing that thread that had all of those weathercams in it..... Maybe it was driving us crazy, being stuck in the office.

[stefan]

utah web cams

http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/slc/camera/

grand canyon
http://www2.nature.nps.gov/air/WebCams/parks/grcacam/grcacam.cfm

[Sombeech]

Cool, thanks.

[savanna3313]

utah web cams

http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/slc/camera/

grand canyon
http://www2.nature.nps.gov/air/WebCams/parks/grcacam/grcacam.cfm

Don't forget the Zion webcam. Looks like they're getting right now what we got yesterday. :snowguy:

http://instacam.com/instacamimg/ZPRNG/ZPRNG_L.jpg

[Iceaxe]

As an interesting side note the Arches Visitor Center has pictures of Courthouse Wash from the major storm that hit last year..... really interesting as the wash was flowing wall to wall. We were able to witness the power and destruction of the flood as we hiked part of the wash this past weekend. If you visit the park ask to see the pictures.

:popcorn:

[Mark Schnupp]

Hey guy's

After last weekend's epic I decided that I need to join the camera club. I am looking for any advice/comments from all you pro's.

Let's have it

Mark

[utidcapaco]

Not a pro, but here's a thread on what I use. Love it!
http://uutah.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3126&highlight=pentax

[tanya]

Hey guy's

After last weekend's epic I decided that I need to join the camera club. I am looking for any advice/comments from all you pro's.

Let's have it

Mark

I love Olympus. I had this wonderful 8mp camera and drowned it in Misery (only took a brief second!) so most of my photos on my site are taken with a 3mp Olympus which did great. I replaced the 8mp when I killed the smaller one in Mystery. I banged the camera on a rock and it won't open or close now. This big one is heavy and hard to haul through the canyons but it's worth it. I hear you are a big, strong guy so you can handle it. Smaller ones are handier in the canyons however.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/OlympusC8080WZ/Images/frontview-001.jpg

[Alex]

Mark, the great wet camera is Pentax Optio W10 camera. That's what Ben, Marc and I were shooting with. Though it's a great waterproof/dustproof camera, I am not happy with my pictures from the last trip. My pictures turned out pretty flat and some of them didn't pick up the color right. I'd still recommend the camera for the wet canyons or if the camera might be dropped in mud/sand.

Another camera I use is Canon S2 IS, it's a bigger camera, but still Point and Shoot and has a great 12x optical zoom, which is very useful in the outdoors. I am not as pro as Richard is at photography, but a lot of my pics turned out decent enough to show off here with. So those are the two recommendations I can give ya.

There are a lot of Point and Shoot (P&S) cameras out there, a lot of smaller ones, faster, etc. But keep in mind most of them are not weather proof and a single rain drop might ruin a camera. I have dropped one of my cameras into the Colorado river, it was in the water for just about a second, but it was enough to break it, luckily I was able to read the memory stick.

What I would recommend for a camera is:

-at least 3-4Megapixel, I personally think 5+ Megapixel is an overkill for P&S cameras.

-Big zoom! I never thought I'd use the zoom until I got my 12x. Also keep in mind Optical zoom is NOT the same thing as Digital Zoom, digital is worthless.

-Flash. Bigger is better of course.

-Movie mode. Make sure the movie mode can do 640x480 at 30fps, I wouldn't settle for smaller size. I use movie mode quite often with my kid and outdoor activities.

-Manual mode. I prefer to have a manual mode, but it's a personal preference. Richard can chime in with more detail on this.

Hope this helps.

[Alex]

Also, you might want to look at an Olympus waterproof camera:

http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/product.asp?product=1225

http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/images/prod_assets/top_product_heads/1225_header.jpg


Just saw those post on dpreview.com:

If anyone's looking for the waterproof and shockproof olympus stylus 725 SW, costco.com have it on their savings ad for 3/19-3/25, with a discount of $50 off. Looks like it'll be available online and at the store.

Pretty nice. It should also be about the same time that the new Stylus 770 SW is coming out.

I might trade my camera in for this one to check it out :popcorn:

[Mark Schnupp]

Thanks for the comments everyone.

Kazak, I though your pictures turned out great, and I did like your camera. Is the same one that Utidcapaco put a link to?

[Alex]

Thanks for the comments everyone.

Kazak, I though your pictures turned out great, and I did like your camera. Is the same one that Utidcapaco put a link to?

I believe he has the WP30 (latest of the series) basically more Megapixels. But it's the same series. What I don't like about my WP10 camera is the size, it's just a bit too big for the P&S camera. I will look at the Olympus camera once the Costco comes out with it. But other than that I am totally happy with the Pentax camera for the waterproofness and the speed of operations.

[Mark Schnupp]

Kazak, What are the differences between the Pentax and the new Olympus? You seem to have a good understanding of camera; I don't. Is it worth waiting for the new Olympus?

[Alex]

Since it's so close, I would wait and see. Olympus cameras are always good, they have great lenses and usually take decent pictures. Pentax used to be the leader in the waterproof cameras, but Olympus is breaking into the market now.

I will buy the Olympus as soon as I see it at the store and will let you know if it's worth it or not. I guess you want to stick with waterproof cameras?

[utidcapaco]

I researched the Olympus (I believe 720SW) long and hard vs. The Pentax Optio (I don't have the W30, but I think it's the W10, like Kazak's). What I found was that while the Olympus had higher resolution, the actual photos weren't any better than those taken with the Pentax. The "shockproofness" of the Olympus is a nice feature, but the consensus I read was that the durability wasn't that great and that it wasn't worth the additional premium $ over the Pentax. Now that Pentax has increased their megapixels and doubled the depth of waterproofness, I would say it's a no brainer: go with the Pentax. I don't know if Olympus has updated their model, but if they have, YMMV. As for size, I don't have any problem with the Pentax. If it were smaller, I'd probably drop it easier. :haha:

[Alex]

uti, I believe the Olympus one has the lens cover?

I wish Pentax would bring the rubberized case from the old film cameras they used to do. :frustrated:

[Mark Schnupp]

Waterproof and shockproof is key. Any idea when the Olympus will be released? Both of these cameras are very nice and exactly what I'm looking for...thanks for your help

[Alex]

costco.com have it on their savings ad for 3/19-3/25, with a discount of $50 off. Looks like it'll be available online and at the store.

[marc olivares]

i've been pretty pleased w/ my Pentax optio ( i have the w20)
but like Alex said above. some times those point and shoots just dont grab enough light .
he and i actually had this same conversation while slogging through Lomatium. they are great small cameras, but not the end all be all for jaw dropping photos.
i've been shopping for my next camera, and i think it will be a Canon Rebel XTI w/ a 2.8 24-70 lens.
BUT i'm going into it w/ the mind set that its gonna get thrashed in the canyons, so WHEN it does, i wont be heart broken.

:haha: