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stefan
01-29-2007, 06:30 AM
Uncle Sam spoils dream trip to space


LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- Brian Emmett's childhood fantasy came true when he won a free trip to outer space.

But the 31-year-old was crushed when he had to cancel his reservation because of Uncle Sam.

Emmett won his ticket to the stars in a 2005 sweepstakes by Oracle Corp., in which he answered a series of online questions on Java computer code.

He became an instant celebrity, giving media interviews and appearing on stage at Oracle's trade show.

For the self-described space buff who has attended space camp and watched shuttle launches from Kennedy Space Center, it seemed like a chance to become an astronaut on a dime.

Then reality hit. After some number-crunching, Emmett realized he would have to report the $138,000 galactic joy ride as income and owe $25,000 in taxes.

Unwilling to sink into debt, the software consultant from the San Francisco Bay area gave up his seat.

"There was definitely a period of mourning. I was totally crestfallen," Emmett said. "Everything you had hoped for as a kid sort of evaporates in front of you."

With commercial spaceships still under development, it's uncertain when the infant space tourism industry will actually get off the ground.

Still, ultra-rich thrill-seekers are already plunking down big -- though refundable -- deposits to experience a few minutes of weightlessness 60 miles above Earth.
A visit to the stars for a black hole in the wallet

And in recent years, space tourism companies have teamed with major corporations to stage contests with future suborbital spaceflights as the grand prize.

The partnerships have interstellar hype -- but as Emmett found out, they can get mired in that most earthbound hassle: taxes.

"From a consumer perspective ... I'd be wary," said Kathleen Allen, director of the University of Southern California's Marshall Center for Technology Commercialization. "I'd check to see the fine print."

Since the Internal Revenue Service requires winnings from lottery drawings, TV game shows and other contests to be reported as taxable income, tax experts contend there's no such thing as a free spaceflight. Some contest sponsors provide a check to cover taxes, but that income is also taxable.

"I don't see how an average person can swing that kind of tax payment. It's a big, big bite," said tax attorney Donna LeValley, contributing editor for J.K. Lasser's annual tax guide.

To reduce the financial burden, winners can argue that they don't owe any taxes until their flight lifts off. Another option is working out an installment plan to pay taxes over time, said Greg Jenner of the American Bar Association.

The IRS declined to comment, saying it does not talk about individual matters.

Despite Emmett's cancellation, Oracle said its contest was a success. The software giant is in the process of naming his replacement and still has two other winners on board from Asia and Europe.

That spaceflight will be provided by Space Adventures Ltd., the same company that brokers deals for trips on Russian rockets to the orbiting international space station for a reported $20 million per customer.

Eric Anderson, the company's chief executive, insists that contests are the best way for most people to get into space. He said Space Adventures has given away about 20 reservations through competitions, and the majority of winners are satisfied.

Space contest rules vary widely but generally require winners to undergo astronaut training before the trip and sign a waiver freeing the sponsors from any liability if there's an accident.

Microsoft Corp. is the latest company to dangle a free space ride. This month it launched an elaborate online puzzle game as part of its promotional campaign for its new Vista PC operating system.

The grand prize winner -- to be named this week -- gets a seat with Rocketplane Ltd., which is building a souped-up Lear jet it hopes will ferry passengers to space in late 2009.

The $50,000 check that comes with the prize, which is valued at $253,500, should cover the winner's taxes, said Brian Marr, group marketing manager for Vista.

It's common for contest winners to have to play a waiting game.

Virgin Galactic customer Doug Ramsburg won his ticket in a Volvo sweepstakes during the 2005 Super Bowl.

His family and friends often hound him about when he'll reach the cosmos. After all, Virgin Galactic doesn't have any spacecraft yet.

Even without an itinerary, Ramsburg says he's not worried. He said he's confident in the man tasked to build Virgin's commercial spacecraft -- aerospace designer Burt Rutan, whose SpaceShipOne became the first privately manned rocket to reach space in 2004.

Ramsburg considers the prize a "blessing" but declined to talk about the financial arrangements, except to say the $100,000 check that came with the prize should make him the first free Virgin Galactic passenger.

"You don't have to be a superhero in order to go to space," said Ramsburg, 43, who works in the admissions office of the University of Colorado at Denver.

Back on Earth, Emmett said he has no regrets about turning down his trip and doesn't blame anyone.

"I was, however briefly, a potential astronaut," he wrote last fall in a blog entry titled "Clipped Wings."

Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

DiscGo
01-29-2007, 06:52 AM
I think the company that offered the trip (Oracle Corp) should pay the taxes.

stefan
01-29-2007, 07:10 AM
I think the company that offered the trip (Oracle Corp) should pay the taxes.


i agree ... what's up with that?


while i admire this guy's tenacity not to slip into debt ... if something like this has been your dream, and it's not looking any more hopeful and financially minimal anytime in the future ... i can't imagine giving up that opportunity :ne_nau:

but in this day of the individual's reckless financial managment, i admire his decision

DiscGo
01-29-2007, 08:03 AM
while i admire this guy's tenacity not to slip into debt ... if something like this has been your dream, and it's not looking any more hopeful and financially minimal anytime in the future ... i can't imagine giving up that opportunity :ne_nau:

but in this day of the individual's reckless financial managment, i admire his decision

Yeah, I am totally with you. It is admirable that he would be so financially responsible, I just hope it is the right call for him. My parents used to have a sign in their house that said:

"The chief cause of failure and unhappiness is trading what you want most, for what you want at the moment".

I guess what this guy wanted more than his dream was a good living.

price1869
01-29-2007, 08:18 AM
I think the company that offered the trip (Oracle Corp) should pay the taxes.

I Disagree.

Mostly just because the law is already in place. Why should I feel bad for this guy when I have to pay the same (or probably higher) percentage of taxes? If you don't want the dude to have to pay taxes, we should vote for a flat rate sales tax and get rid of income tax all together. :five:

Life ain't fair, and neither are taxes. If this guy shouldn't have to pay his taxes, then I should be able to take a free trip into space too.

Price :rockon:

DiscGo
01-29-2007, 08:22 AM
I do not think the guy should not have to pay taxes. I know that when you win a car on a game show you are responsible for the taxes. But I feel like telling someone that you can have a free trip to space and telling the person later it is going to cost you 50k is wrong. I think if he knew what it would cost in the first place, he probably would not have even competed.

I love the idea of the flat tax. My only concern is that after the first few years the government would continue to raise taxes but there would be no tax breaks. So I would be in favor of the flat tax, I just think part of the taxing law should be that the amount can never be raised.

stefan
01-29-2007, 08:23 AM
I think the company that offered the trip (Oracle Corp) should pay the taxes.

I Disagree.

Mostly just because the law is already in place. Why should I feel bad for this guy when I have to pay the same (or probably higher) percentage of taxes? If you don't want the dude to have to pay taxes, we should vote for a flat rate sales tax and get rid of income tax all together. :five:

Life ain't fair, and neither are taxes. If this guy shouldn't have to pay his taxes, then I should be able to take a free trip into space too.

Price :rockon:


wait we're not saying that taxes shouldn't be paid, just that (as in the microsoft case) a financial award should be included to cover the taxes.

maybe i am misunderstanding ... do you just want him to pay the taxes?

Sombeech
01-29-2007, 10:41 PM
Lower taxes are the solution.

Jaxx
01-30-2007, 08:53 AM
"The chief cause of failure and unhappiness is trading what you want most, for what you want at the moment".

That is an awesome saying, if everyone lived by that there would be alot less crap in the world. Can I steal that for my sig?

On topic: If the guy got money to cover the taxes then he would get taxed on that and so on and so on. That sucks that he has to pay the taxes on the trip.

price1869
01-30-2007, 08:57 AM
Lower taxes are the solution.

No, not in this case. (although in almost any other situation I would agree with you.)

The problem is that everyone feels bad for this guy not taking the trip. The law is already in place that a person in the United States pays a portion of his income to the federal government. (Granted, it's not that simple, but . . .) If Oracle paid the taxes, they would just be contributing more to this guy's income, for which he should have to pay more taxes.

The prize is income. I don't ask my company to pay my taxes for me. They don't even pay my taxes when I do a really good job and give me a bonus. I just don't see how anyone thinks it's "fair" that this guy gets out of paying his taxes.

Whether it's fair or not, it's the law. If the law isn't fair, work to change the law. Don't break the law.

Udink
01-30-2007, 09:16 AM
I just don't see how anyone thinks it's "fair" that this guy gets out of paying his taxes.
Ok, lemme explain it to you. If I won a million dollars, I would be responsible for the taxes on that million dollars. However, the taxes that I pay wouldn't be coming out of my paycheck for the next 50 years, it would be coming out of that million dollars. You following me so far? Ok, so whoever gave me the million dollars would, in effect, be paying the taxes on the million dollars.

The same principle would apply if Oracle gave the guy a free trip to space, plus some cash. The cash would have to be enough to pay the taxes on both the space trip and the cash itself. I don't know where you're getting this "Don't break the law" stuff, it would be perfectly legal to give somebody a free trip to space and some cash to cover the taxes on it all.

DiscGo
01-30-2007, 09:17 AM
If Oracle paid the taxes, they would just be contributing more to this guy's income, for which he should have to pay more taxes.
.

I know the law is already in place, and I just want to clarify again that I was not saying the taxes should not have to be made. But that is a really good point you make about paying the taxes as just being more "income". At a certain point, I guess he would have to pay something or his income would just continue to grow exponentially.

DiscGo
01-30-2007, 09:18 AM
"The chief cause of failure and unhappiness is trading what you want most, for what you want at the moment".

That is an awesome saying, if everyone lived by that there would be alot less crap in the world. Can I steal that for my sig?



It is more than fine with me :mrgreen:

Jaxx
01-30-2007, 09:35 AM
Sweet, thanks!

Scott P
01-30-2007, 10:02 AM
If I were him I would just sell his trip and pocket the money. :2thumbs: I would then pay the taxes of course.

I would bet that he could find a buyer as there have been several rich people interested in going to space.

Of course that's just me. If going to space really is his ultimate dream then I guess he wouldn't do that.

stefan
01-30-2007, 10:07 AM
If I were him I would just sell his trip and pocket the money. :2thumbs: I would then pay the taxes of course.

I would bet that he could find a buyer as there have been several rich people interested in going to space.

Of course that's just me. If going to space really is his ultimate dream then I guess he wouldn't do that.

i have no clue on this, but i wonder that it might be in the contract that he couldn't sell the trip. :ne_nau:

one thing's for sure ... his actions have created a little publicity

JP
01-30-2007, 05:58 PM
It's that fine print thing :haha:

stefan
02-07-2007, 05:41 AM
Man gets second chance at space ride


POWAY, California (AP) -- A man who gave up a free space ride because he could not afford the taxes on the contest prize may be going to the cosmos after all.

Brian Emmett, a 31-year-old software consultant from the San Francisco Bay area, has signed on to become a consultant to a space tourism upstart in exchange for a chance to experience weightlessness some 60 miles above Earth.

Emmett won a future spaceflight as part of a 2005 sweepstakes sponsored by software giant Oracle Corp. He forfeited the prize after calculating he would owe $25,000 in taxes for the spaceflight valued at $139,000.

But now he might get support from Benson Space Co., a Poway-based upstart founded by rocket entrepreneur Jim Benson, who is trying to break into the suborbital spaceflight business.

Benson, who dreamed of flying to space as a boy, said he sympathized with Emmett and offered him a consulting position.

"He had a dream, the dream got broken and we fixed it," Benson said.

As part of the agreement to be announced Wednesday, the company would pay Emmett to serve as a "test passenger," allowing him to hitch a free ride into space in late 2008 when the company hopes to send its first paying tourists, Benson said.

In return, Emmett would offer his feedback during the testing phase of the project.

Emmett said he was grateful for the second chance to go into space.

"My original situation hasn't changed. This isn't something I could do with my own means," he said.

Several space tourism ventures, including British mogul Richard Branson's Virgin Galactic, are jostling to develop a suborbital vehicle to ferry rich passengers before the end of the decade.

Vehicles would need to get approval from the Federal Aviation Administration before they could fly out of the atmosphere.

Benson is developing a suborbital spaceship called the Dream Chaser that will be powered by hybrid rocket motors and can hold as many as six people.

A ticket costs between $200,000 and $300,000, with higher prices for those who want to be in the co-pilot seat. The company has not yet decided on a launch site.

Copyright 2007 The Associated Press.

JP
02-07-2007, 05:50 AM
So another guy picked him up to head to the outer limits :nod: Good for him.

DiscGo
02-07-2007, 06:33 AM
What a great follow up story. Good work Stefan!