Yummy

[asdf]

Man, Its good being me. :naughty:

[Shan]

It that for the weekend? :friday:

Where'd you get those growlers?

[marc olivares]

Uhhh, i'll take one of those fat tires if youre not gonna be needing it...
just thought i'd ask...?
i'm guessing you've been on a road trip, cause i've yet to find Fat tire in utah.

:haha:

[asdf]

It that for the weekend? :friday:

Where'd you get those growlers?


I wish that was for this weekend.... I am due for another beer run someitme soon.
The Growlers are Old Bong water (dark) and Fresh Bong water. Yes they are made from hemp. You can only get it on tap in Missoula MT at the Kettlehouse Brewing Company.

I just like the picture, it makes me feel like a wealthy man.

[Shan]

OMG! Bong water! That is too funny.

No Fat Tire in Logan either.

[asdf]

Uhhh, i'll take one of those fat tires if youre not gonna be needing it...
just thought i'd ask...?
i'm guessing you've been on a road trip, cause i've yet to find Fat tire in utah.

:haha:

Ya know, I loved fat tire for years but now I feel like its lost is magic. I think they are just mass producing it, it has grown quite a bit in popularity over the past few years. I just think its lost that nutty amber after taste that made is so special... its like losing a good friend :sad:

[accadacca]

You mean the happy valley border patrol let you in with that stuff? Criminal... :lol8:

[asdf]

You mean the happy valley border patrol let you in with that stuff? Criminal... :lol8:

I bring in at least 4 loads like this each year, does anyone know at what point it become bootlegging?

[Shan]

That is bootlegging I thought. Up near the ID/UT border, cops do sit and wait for cars to come back and then find something to bust them for. Then they find the beer. I know a few people that had to pour out all their newly purchased beer right there on the roadside!

[asdf]

That is bootlegging I thought. Up near the ID/UT border, cops do sit and wait for cars to come back and then find something to bust them for. Then they find the beer. I know a few people that had to pour out all their newly purchased beer right there on the roadside!


So you are saying its illegal to bring one beer into utah?
Crazy, I am calling the UHP lets find out.

[Shan]

I thought it was pretty much anything that does not have the "IT IS ILLEGAL TO REMOVE THIS STICKER" put on by the state liquor stores. In essence that was a way to identify non-utah beer?

But call them and let me know!

[asdf]

That is bootlegging I thought. Up near the ID/UT border, cops do sit and wait for cars to come back and then find something to bust them for. Then they find the beer. I know a few people that had to pour out all their newly purchased beer right there on the roadside!


So you are saying its illegal to bring one beer into utah?
Crazy, I am calling the UHP lets find out.

I spoke with an officer with UHP and he said you can bring as much beer across state lines as you would like unless it an absurd amount. I asked "what about 15 12 packs" he said that's fine. An absurd amount is like a keg, or a uhaul full of beer.

so there you have it

[stefan]

I spoke with an officer with UHP and he said you can bring as much beer across state lines as you would like unless it an absurd amount. I asked "what about 15 12 packs" he said that's fine. An absurd amount is like a keg, or a uhaul full of beer.

so there you have it

Absolutely INCORRECT. he's lying to you. Perhaps what he's talking about is how much you would need to be cited by him or someone else who's cool.

It is absolutely illegal to bring in ANY alcohol into the state of utah. (actually not sure if personally made alcohol qualifies as it is legal to make within the state.) but you technically are NOT allowed to bring in any commercially manufactured alcohol across state lines. You cannot even declare it if you were so inclined. the fine is $500 (and or jail time) and confiscation.

coming across the border is easy with most alcohol, but cops DO look for people brining in kegs.

[Shan]

Well the individual that brought over one case of cans (probably Icehouse even!) and he had to dump it all out. One case.

Maybe this cop was abusing the law then?

[stefan]

the law

okay so the generalized law is this:

http://www.le.state.ut.us/~code/TITLE32A/htm/32A0D041.htm

stating:

32A-12-504. Unlawful transportation.
It is unlawful for any person, including a motor carrier, or any officer, agent, or employee of a motor carrier, to order or purchase any alcoholic product or to cause any alcoholic product to be shipped, carried, or transported into this state, or from one place to another within this state except as otherwise authorized by this title.

http://www.le.state.ut.us/~code/TITLE32A/htm/32A0D042.htm

32A-12-505. Lawful transportation.
Nothing contained in Section 32A-12-504 prohibits any carrier from:
(1) transporting alcoholic products in the course of export from the state; or
(2) transporting alcoholic products across any part of this state while in transit pursuant to a bona fide consignment of the alcoholic products to a person outside of this state.

then the provisions:

http://www.le.state.ut.us/~code/TITLE32A/htm/32A0D018.htm

32A-12-212. Unlawful possession -- Exceptions.
(1) A person may not have or possess within this state any liquor unless authorized by this title or the rules of the commission, except that:
(a) a person who clears United States Customs when entering this country may have or possess for personal consumption and not for sale or resale, a maximum of two liters of liquor purchased from without the United States;


(b) a person who moves the person's residence to this state from outside of this state may have or possess for personal consumption and not for sale or resale, any liquor previously purchased outside the state and brought into this state during the move, if:
(i) the person first obtains department approval prior to moving the liquor into the state;
(ii) the department affixes the official state label to the liquor; and
(iii) the person pays the department a reasonable administrative handling fee as determined by the commission;


(c) a person who as a beneficiary inherits as part of an estate liquor that is located outside the state, may have or possess the liquor and transport or cause the liquor to be transported into the state if:
(i) the person first obtains department approval prior to moving the liquor into the state;
(ii) the person provides sufficient documentation to the department to establish the person's legal right to the liquor as a beneficiary;
(iii) the department affixes the official state label to the liquor; and
(iv) the person pays the department a reasonable administrative handling fee as determined by the commission; or

(d) a person may transport, have, or possess liquor if:
(i) the person transports, has, or possesses the liquor:
__(A) for personal household use and consumption; and
__(B) not for:
____(I) sale;
____(II) resale;
____(III) gifting to another; or
____(IV) consumption on a premise licensed by the commission;
(ii) the liquor is purchased from a store or outlet on a military installation; AND
(iii) the maximum amount the person transports, has, or possesses under this Subsection (1)(d) is:
__(A) two liters of:
____(I) spirituous liquor;
____(II) wine; or
____(III) a combination of spirituous liquor and wine; and
__(B) one case of heavy beer that does not exceed 288 ounces.

(2) (a) Approval under Subsection (1)(b) may be obtained by a person who:
___ (i) is transferring the person's permanent residence to this state; or
___(ii) maintains separate residences both in and out of this state.
(b) A person may not obtain approval to transfer liquor under Subsection (1)(b) more than once.

[asdf]

I spoke with an officer with UHP and he said you can bring as much beer across state lines as you would like unless it an absurd amount. I asked "what about 15 12 packs" he said that's fine. An absurd amount is like a keg, or a uhaul full of beer.

so there you have it

Absolutely INCORRECT. he's lying to you. Perhaps what he's talking about is how much you would need to be cited by him or someone else who's cool.

It is absolutely illegal to bring in ANY alcohol into the state of utah. (actually not sure if personally made alcohol qualifies as it is legal to make within the state.) but you technically are NOT allowed to bring in any commercially manufactured alcohol across state lines. You cannot even declare it if you were so inclined. the fine is $500 (and or jail time) and confiscation.

coming across the border is easy with most alcohol, but cops DO look for people brining in kegs.

I know people who were pulled over with cops took the keg gave tickets, but let them keep the 5 18 packs.......

[RugerShooter]

then the provisions:

http://www.le.state.ut.us/~code/TITLE32A/htm/32A0D018.htm

(d) a person may transport, have, or possess liquor if:[/color]
(i) the person transports, has, or possesses the liquor:
(A) for personal household use and consumption; and
(B) not for:
___ (I) sale;
___(II) resale;
___(III) gifting to another; or
___(IV) consumption on a premise licensed by the commission;


it looks like provision (d) would allow you to bring anything you want over or at least this is the way that I read it

[Mtnman1830]

I am lucky. I buy my booze first, go visit family in Evanston, then go across the border....

[stefan]

then the provisions:

http://www.le.state.ut.us/~code/TITLE32A/htm/32A0D018.htm

(d) a person may transport, have, or possess liquor if:[/color]
(i) the person transports, has, or possesses the liquor:
(A) for personal household use and consumption; and
(B) not for:
___ (I) sale;
___(II) resale;
___(III) gifting to another; or
___(IV) consumption on a premise licensed by the commission;


it looks like provision (d) would allow you to bring anything you want over or at least this is the way that I read it


sorry i was continually reediting making it in color so it would appear clearer.
you're missing one word which renders the situation different. i have highlighted it in red. look again.


look i am not saying don't do it. i have done it many times. probably brought about 1000 bottles of beer into the state from colorado, california, nevada, oregon, washington, idaho, wyoming .... not to mention the wine.

i think it's crap, but in general if you keep it hidden, no one will bother you. kegs are an issue, since they usually lead to drunken parties, drunk driving, underage drinking.

my point was simply to clarify that it's illegal. that's all. but furthermore, what cops may say is the law is different from what the actual law may be. it doesn't surprise me that they would get busted for the keg and not the beer.

and what's a case or two or three of beer. more paperwork for them, and unnecessary paperwork at that.

as i said, just stating what the law is.. it's always good to know these things.

for example, the recent change a few years ago, rendered the "flavorings" loophole officially over. before you could freely pour flavorings which often had alcohol in it. now it's been clarified that a maxium of 2.75 ounces of liquor per drink, plus a bunch of other technicalities. also they should technically charge for all of that.

anyway

[asdf]

Thanks for the info stefan.
Now that my beer is illegal that makes it ultra l33t!

[stefan]

Thanks for the info stefan.
Now that my beer is illegal that makes it ultra l33t!


sweet ... enjoy :2thumbs: