REI gone soft?

[Scott P]

What's the deal with REI now? They have some good stuff, but it seems inventory is changing. Last catalog I received had mostly things like car camping tents and chairs and such. Last time I dropped in the Grand Junction REI they didn't have any of the technical gear I needed, but had a bunch of new family camping gear.

What I wanted some "emergency" baby angles and a few bolts, some Talons, and an Ibis Hook. None of which are sold anymore at that REI. Even last winter, they didn't have any ice tools (I am trying to get more into that) or plastic boots. No dry ropes either. Plenty of big tents and chairs though.

Hopefully, it's only the local store?

Could the below be the future of REI?:

http://www.rei.com/category/40003658.htm

[derstuka]

What's the deal with REI now? They have some good stuff, but it seems inventory is changing. Last catalog I received had mostly things like car camping tents and chairs and such. Last time I dropped in the Grand Junction REI they didn't have any of the technical gear I needed, but had a bunch of new family camping gear.

What I wanted some "emergency" baby angles and a few bolts, some Talons, and an Ibis Hook. None of which are sold anymore at that REI. Even last winter, they didn't have any ice tools (I am trying to get more into that) or plastic boots. No dry ropes either. Plenty of big tents and chairs though.

Hopefully, it's only the local store?

Could the below be the future of REI?:

http://www.rei.com/category/40003658.htm

I don't think that my local REI is going soft, however, you have to assume that they may need to tailor their business anyway necessary in order to make the most sales. If most customers buy things that you may consider soft, then that is what they may try and sell more of.

[price1869]

The REI in Austin recently ripped out their climbing wall, put the bulk rope and webbing into the back and put a bunch of fluffy stuff up front. I think it's a new PR, imaging, wimpy campain.

[jumar]

The SLC REI told me they're scaling back on their ice gear. At least at the retail stores.

[stefan]

The SLC REI told me they're scaling back on their ice gear. At least at the retail stores.

this could be a good thing for local business.

[Iceaxe]

More profit it ladies clothing, shoes and t-shirts with cool sayings then there is in ice gear and ropes.

I've seen this happen a hundred times before..... the old Sunset Sports, Jerry's, Sportsmen Warehouse, yada, yada.

:popcorn:

[Scott P]

More profit it ladies clothing, shoes

PS, when is climb-utah going to start carrying women's clothes? Could be a good thing. Gear too. Harem harness anyone? :naughty:

[Iceaxe]

when is climb-utah going to start carrying women's clothes? Could be a good thing.

What makes you think we don't already carry a women's clothing line? Didn't you get the latest catalog?

Here is a sample of what we carry........

:popcorn:

[Scott P]

Can the "walkingstockings" be used as slings/runners? They look pretty light weight.

[Iceaxe]

All major credit cards accepted......

:lol8:

[Scott P]

By chance, do you have the proper equipement to climb the 382'nd highest mountain in Colorado?

http://www.summitpost.org/list/185947/colorado-13ers.html

[moabfool]

REI has become wussified. Remember when they were selling fishing gear a year or two back? Fishing is a fine recreation, but it's not what REI is (was) about. Just try to find a high-end approach shoe in there like the La Sportive Exum Ridge or the Montrail D7.

As I remember, REI was founded because a couple guys couldn't find a quality ice ax. Sad to hear that they now no longer carry ice gear or even a good selection of climbing gear. It's too bad they've forgotten their roots.

I was in the Missoula, MT REI last summer. Another customer had a question in the climbing department. I had to help them because none of the employees knew what 9/16 climb-spec webbing was. They offered me a job on the spot.

At least we're lucky in SLC. IME (International Mountain Equipment) is just around the corner from REI in the same strip mall. For all you canyoneers out there, IME has stainless rappel rings. Heck, We've got Black Diamond just a few blocks away too.

[moabfool]

So we all agree, while REI definitely does not suck, it's not as cool as it once was. Where can one find a selection of gear comparable to what REI had back in the day (and even better)? Pimp your favorite gear shop(s) here.

Brick and mortar:

Canyon Sports
Riverdale Road
(northeast Wal-Mart)
Riverdale, UT

IME
3300 S and 3300 E
(just west of REI around the corner)
SLC, UT

Kirkham's
3125 So. State St.
SLC, UT

Inland Sports
Hillfield Rd.
(between the mall and Antelope Dr.)
Layton, UT

Gear Heads
Main St. and Uranium Ave
(just south of City Market)
Moab, UT

Pagan Mountaineering
Moab, UT

Outdoor Outlet
1 block south of St. George Blvd. and east of 1000 E.
St. George, UT

Zion Outdoor Center
(Chaco sandals for $65)
Springdale, UT

Idaho Mountain Trading
474 Shoup Ave
(corner of Yellowstone and B st.)
Idaho Falls, ID

Online:

www.mgear.com
www.mec.ca
www.rockempire.com (slow customer service)
www.pagangear.com
www.acmeclimbing.com
www.paganmountaineering.com (based in Moab)
www.sierratradingpost.com (closeouts, seconds, special deals; inventory not reliable)

Does anybody know the name and address of the climbing shop on Charleston (in Las Vegas) on the way to Red Rocks? I stopped in there and really liked the shop, pet rats on the counter and all.

I'm not being exclusive by making this list. These are just some places I've done business.

[Scott P]

At least we're lucky in SLC.

Yep, in that respect it is true. The nearest gear shops to where I live require a 300+ mile round trip drive. REI and Summit Canyon Mountaineering are about that distance, and both are in Grand Junction. I wouldn't know if Vernal has one (?), but's it's only 250 miles round trip, so I'll have to check on that. Needless to say, I do quite a bit of ordering online.

[rock_ski_cowboy]

Happy Valley:

Hansen Mountaineering
around 2000 N. State Orem
Specialize in ice, and rock. A little canyoneering gear

Mountainworks
Next to The Quarry, University Parkway, Provo
Full selection of climbing gear

Out n' Back
State Street right on the Orem Provo border hill
Some of climbing gear, lots of backpacking and general camping stuff, good deals on random gear


In Cedar City:

The Mountain Shop
Good supply of both canyoneering and climbing gear


On the web:
ebay!
backcountry.com
stp
campmor.com
steepandcheap.com (amazing deal of the day)
google/froogle

[Scott Card]

And folks, aren't we forgetting the mecca of canyoneering gear??? CanyoneeringUSA.com - Tom Jones site that carries the Imlay packs and gear as well as other tried and true canyoneering gear. :mrgreen: Tom's suggestions for gear have not failed me yet. As for Hansen High Adventure in Orem. They have the Imlay ropes and some Imlay packs as well as the harnesses and hardware. MountainWorks in Provo has much more canyoneering gear and all the pretty BlueWater canyoneering ropes as well as all the hardware.

[rock_ski_cowboy]

MountainWorks in Provo has much more canyoneering gear and all the pretty BlueWater canyoneering ropes as well as all the hardware. Cool. Thats a new development. Last I was in there they were asking me to explain what kind of gear and saying there were looking at stocking some stuff.

[Scott Card]

I have been beating on them (figuratively of course) for years about canyoneering stuff. I think they kinda hate it when I come in because I buy a token piton occasionaly and yack their ear off about canyoneering and equipment. :blahblah: I, like you, am also glad to see the increased stock. I was there yesterday and they now have about a half a wall dedicated to canyoneering. It is right next to the shoes on the North wall, you can't miss it. They have rope silos, imlay packs, pot shots, La Sportiva shoes, Blue Water ropes and one partial spool of Tom's ropes, kegs, blue water ropes, etc. Nice assortment of stuff now. Best variety in Utah County by far.

[Scott Card]

And for what it is worth, REI has gone soft. I don't even bother going in there any more. Last time I was there there was a whole lot of fancy schmancy outdoor clothes (that wouldn't last the day in a north wash canyon) and not a whole lot more.

[moabfool]

By chance, do you have the proper equipement to climb the 382'nd highest mountain in Colorado?

:hail2thechief: That is an impressive resume of high peaks. You'd have to go almost that far down the list to find a mountain in Colorado that's shorter than the tallest point in Utah.

#1 in Utah: King's Peak; 13,528'
#235 in CO: Boulder Mountain; 13,528'
#236 in CO: Leviathan Peak; 13,528'
#237 in CO: Treasure Mountain; 13,528'
#238 in CO: V3; 13,528'

Still, I bet some of the lower peaks are a greater technical accomplishment that most of the 14ers. I don't know, "Booby Prize" (#382 at 13,312') could be a real test piece? :ne_nau: Crap, now I've got to spend several months of my life in Colorado, in addition to Montana and California. Why am I wasting so much time at work?

[Scott P]

Still, I bet some of the lower peaks are a greater technical accomplishment that most of the 14ers

Believe it or not, most of the highest mountains in Colorado are easier than the highest mountains in Utah. The reason is roads, and heights of trailheads. Most of the 13 and 14 thousand foot mountains are day climbs, versus the backpacking required to reach the Utah 13'ers.

In Colorado only a few 14,000 foot peaks are done as backpacks; the rest are day climbs. Heck, you can drive to the top of three of them. Many of the other have trailheads at 11-12,000 feet or higher. Some of the 13'ers in the San Juans are the exception to the rule and require backpacking.

Most peaks in CO are non technical, and this includes all the 14'ers and most 13'ers (only a few are technical). In contrast to Colorado, Utah has dozens (maybe over 100?) of peaks that are technical by their easiest route!

[Iceaxe]

In contrast to Colorado, Utah has dozens (maybe over 100?) of peaks that are technical by their easiest route!

Hey Scott.... I just started a new thread on this subject.

http://uutah.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3096

Check it out.....

[Scott P]

I don't know, "Booby Prize" (#382 at 13,312') could be a real test piece?

Probably not. It is next to a peak named Prize, and Booby Prize is an unofficial name for the other peak. Anyway, here's the definition of Booby Prize :doh: (someone from another forum linked it for me):

A booby prize is a joke prize usually given in recognition of a terrible performance or last-place finish. A person who scores last, for example, may get a booby prize such as a worthless coin. Booby prizes are sometimes humorously and jokingly coveted as an object of pride.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booby_prize