Eat at Beavers (Not Work Safe)

[derstuka]

Sorry, I had to post this up here too. The mods can move it or delete if they want. Funny stuff. :roflol:

http://dl4.dumpalink.com/media/Kxfjwu7AY5jg/2Qnp1cGWJN6q.wmv

[Sombeech]

well, at least it's pixelated :haha:

[Reedus]

What the hell is funny about that??? It is freakin porn and disgusting at that.

[DickHead]

What the hell is funny about that??? It is freakin porn and disgusting at that.

Someone must only get it Missionary style to think that's not funny....
:haha:

[Reedus]

Why the hell does everything have to revolve around sex these days?

[DickHead]

Why the hell does everything have to revolve around sex these days?

Why the hell do you have to be so uptight?

[Reedus]

Because I hate porn and think it is fast becoming the downfall of this country

[derstuka]

Because I hate porn and think it is fast becoming the downfall of this country

Are my eyes deceiving me, or perhaps you are smoking a bad batch of crack or something? I mean are you serious? I do not define something that aired on the comedy channel as porn. Would you object to a busload of hot girls flashing you, thinking it is obscene and covering your eyes in horror? You sound extremely tense, maybe for some other reason. I think that a little :getiton: :getiton: might help to resolve that. I'm no doc, just a poseur, but I think it just might work. :2thumbs:

[DickHead]

Because I hate porn and think it is fast becoming the downfall of this country

Maybe I could give a rats ass about your morals, and would prefer you not try and stuff them down anyone elses throats?
I didn't see any porn. What I saw was a lamponing of Hooters, and alot of sexual humor. You obviously don't even know what porn is.

[Glockguy]

No one made you click on the link to watch it. Stop whining.

[Reedus]

I am not trying to stuff my morals down anyones throat just sick of porn finding me. Would you guys really feel comfortable opening that stuff in front of your wife or your own mother? Probably wouldn't be so funny then would it? I am happily married, but see marriages falling apart around me due to pornography addiction. In fact my in-laws just got divorced because he got into porn and couldn't fulfill his sexual appetite online, so he had an affair. If you think porn is great and dandy, maybe you have become so DESENSITIZED that you don't see it's awful far-reaching effects.

[Udink]

Would you guys really feel comfortable opening that stuff in front of your wife or your own mother? Probably wouldn't be so funny then would it?
Are you saying that you let your mother watch whatever goes on in your bedroom? :lol8: Obviously not (at least I hope not), and that's gotta be about the lamest argument ever.


If you think porn is great and dandy, maybe you have become so DESENSITIZED that you don't see it's awful far-reaching effects.
Care to elaborate on the causalities of porn leading to "the downfall of this country?" Sounds like you have a very active imagination.

[derstuka]

I am not trying to stuff my morals down anyones throat just sick of porn finding me. Would you guys really feel comfortable opening that stuff in front of your wife or your own mother? Probably wouldn't be so funny then would it? I am happily married, but see marriages falling apart around me due to pornography addiction. In fact my in-laws just got divorced because he got into porn and couldn't fulfill his sexual appetite online, so he had an affair. If you think porn is great and dandy, maybe you have become so DESENSITIZED that you don't see it's awful far-reaching effects.

That is a total scapegoat argument. To blame the breaking up of marriages on porn, instead of the actions of the person. Whether it be porn, alcohol, drugs, infidelity, it takes an action of the person doing it. That is what I hate about some peoples problems/arguments today. Trying to blame THEIR problem on something else. Hey, it wasn't me, it was those damn porno people, I swear honey. That is ok, I forgive you. I know that someone put a gun to your head and forced you to download/buy/rent the porn. There is no way possible that it could be your fault. It is their fault, not yours! Not to mention it is the beer manufacturers fault that I am such an ass and abusive. How about those cigarettes, I mean, I know it takes a genuis to think that inhaling smoke into your lungs cannot harm you. Why not ban everything that everyone considers is a sin? What a fun world that would be!

It's called personal responsibility for your actions and using something called a brain. Try thinking of that. Someone actually being man/woman enough to say, hey, I'm the idiot who caused all of this, it is my fault and nobody elses. Nooooo, that would be to hard, it is so much easier to just blame it on someone/something else.

Anyways, what is wrong with nudity and having sex? I mean, we were all born naked. The human body is nothing to be ashamed of.

[Reedus]

Sounds like me against the world on this one. Yes I come from a conservative background and have morals. What is your defintion of having morals nowadays? Although hard to prove, porn does have a negative effect on society. 80% of convicted sex offenders have an addiction to porn. Do you guys remember Ted Bundy? It all started with a pornography addiction that lead to acting out his fantacies in real life.

[Reedus]

What the crap do you think influences peoples actions, Jason? Do you think addictions of any kind influence peoples actions. I highly doubt that my inlaws and sister would be in the situation they are in if porn was not so readily available via internet. I am almost certain he would not have started his addiction by just going down to the adult store and loading up on Playboys. It all starts innocently until you are hooked. Just an innocent Google of a few keywords will pop up a plethura of pornographic websites. Yes you are right that people are resonsible for their own actions, but everyone's actions are influenced by something good or evil, good or bad, or whatever you want to call it.

[Udink]

80% of convicted sex offenders have an addiction to porn.
What kind of conclusion are you trying to draw with this worthless statistic? 100% of all convicted sex offenders breathe air. Does that automatically prove some sort of causal relationship between the two? You sound like you've been brainwashed.

[Windwalker]

REEDUS,

I'm inclined to side with you on the theory that one bad choice can lead to another until we stumble completely out of control toward whatever it may be.

But G O D did give us our free agency to choose right from wrong. I believe the results of the "Big Test" are gauged on how we recover after falling down.

The title "Eat at Beavers" was a dead give away as to what you would find just behind the click of your mouse. The added warning "Not Work Safe" is a good indicator also that if it's not good to open at work it's not good to open at all.

Why did you click?? If you feel someone has tripped you up, get up, dust yourself off and keep going. Your right, there is way to much pornography out there, your job is to know when to keep from "Clicking" and when to back away.

Other than voicing your opinion I doubt that you will win your argument here.

[Windwalker]

80% of convicted sex offenders have an addiction to porn.
What kind of conclusion are you trying to draw with this worthless statistic? 100% of all convicted sex offenders breathe air. Does that automatically prove some sort of causal relationship between the two? You sound like you've been brainwashed.

Hello Udink,

Statistics are a good thing, they are a constant in life, they never lie nor tell the truth. They are POWER to those that are molding/shaping them to prove a point. Case in point "Sexual Perverts," did pornograpy lead them to a perversion or was that person already perverted and just feeding off the pornography. The old which came first the Chicken or the Egg?

Catch ya later young buddy.

[Udink]

Case in point "Sexual Perverts," did pornograpy lead them to a perversion or was that person already perverted and just feeding off the pornography. The old which came first the Chicken or the Egg?
That's the exact point I was trying to make. I wasn't arguing against Reedus' position, just the argument he used to support his position. You put it better than I could have. :smile:

[Reedus]

So if there is nothing wrong with pornography, then why does society shun it? Why do porn addicts do their thing behind closed doors? Are they embarrassed, or do they have a conscience that tells them what they are indulging in is wrong? If my arguments against pornography are so lame and brainwashy, I would like to hear arguments in favor of porn. :cool2:

[derstuka]

What the crap do you think influences peoples actions, Jason? Do you think addictions of any kind influence peoples actions. I highly doubt that my inlaws and sister would be in the situation they are in if porn was not so readily available via internet. I am almost certain he would not have started his addiction by just going down to the adult store and loading up on Playboys. It all starts innocently until you are hooked. Just an innocent Google of a few keywords will pop up a plethura of pornographic websites. Yes you are right that people are resonsible for their own actions, but everyone's actions are influenced by something good or evil, good or bad, or whatever you want to call it.

Reedus,

I do not think you will ever understand what I mean if you firmly believe that porn is to blame for a person's addiction. I believe everyone is given their own free will to do as they please, and it is nobody's fault but their own if they choose the wrong road. Save for the ignorance of a developing child, and the mentally disabled, any adults should know better. I do not and will not ever believe that it is the fault of a magazine/movie that causes an adult to act as the do. Yes, you may argue that the temptation was there, however, life if full of temptations everyday, whether it be a hot girl at a bar/store, porn, or a liquor staring at me from the aisle. I mean, depending on a person's definition of a sin, the world is chock full of sins. That does not mean that I can blame all of my faults on them, and not my own actions. If I screw up my marriage/family due to porn, or alcohol, I will blame no one else but me. I am an adult, I am responsible for my own decisions/actions. Like I said, person responsibility is the key. It makes me proud to see a person actually stand up and say, "I admit it, it was my fault, and my fault alone" and not wait for some quack to say that they have this or that problem, and they need time off with pay because of it. :lame: The internet/TV is not G-rated, and nor will it ever be, so it is up to he/she to take the righteous road and make the right decision. As I said, I do not believe in blaming my stupid/unwise decisions on anything else than my own free-willed actions. Temptation can be made into almost any argument for many things that we do during the day. Should Mcdonalds be blamed for fat people, should chocolate as well, should fast cars be blames for traffic accidents more so than slow ones. should guns blamed for deaths, or the people behind them???

[Reedus]

I agree with you wholeheartedly on everything you said except when it comes to pornography. We are not inherently born with a desire to be raging alcholohics or murderers, but we are born with sex drives that must be kept in check or they burn out of control. The curiosity is there from the beginning of puberty and porn companies capitalize on that. Like you said, we all have our free agency, but not all of us have the strong willpower to resist the sexual temptation found on internet porn sites. And when people start to indulge in it, although innocently at first, it has drastic consequences down the road. Free agency belongs to all of us, but we are not all created equal. Some have stronger sex drives or are more inclined to substance abuse. Why not take away the temptation or AT LEAST make it harder to obtain. The porn thing is just so prevalent that you really don't have to look for it on the internet, it finds you. Give those that are weak a fighting chance huh?

[stefan]

originally i was not going to comment on this post, but....

everyone has their opinions on porn, and whether or not you believe in porn, it's going to be all around the internet. In any case, i don't believe in censorship. i think we are responsible for our actions. regardless of what anyone may believe, the internet and social tendancies associated with it can psychologically become an obsession or an addiction, for example, assuming another persona with social groups over the internet and becoming attached to that persona. Or the interaction with porn on the internet.

I guess what i am saying is that the effect of the internet can be quite strong...at least, at the moment, since it's a novelty. who knows what our interactions with it will be like after 50 years. It may become commonplace and we'll be less drawn to it. maybe not.


But this is of course not why i am posting, why i am posting is because i hear reedus give the argument:



So if there is nothing wrong with pornography, then why does society shun it? Why do porn addicts do their thing behind closed doors? Are they embarrassed, or do they have a conscience that tells them what they are indulging in is wrong? If my arguments against pornography are so lame and brainwashy, I would like to hear arguments in favor of porn. :cool2:



One thing is clear, since circa 1950 our society has been highly sexually repressed, clearly reflected in the fact that television would not show a married man and woman sleeping in the same bed. Humans in different societies at different times experimented with different rules and mores of different degrees of repression, with the extremes and everything in between still existing somewhere in the world today.
in this country, I think it's clear that breaking down the years of repression, and the coincidental development of the television, video and now the internet has fueled a swing in the opposite direction, possibly excessively so.

Regardless, sex has been a private matter and is not necessarily comfortable or straightforward to talk about generally, clearly porn even more so. One may or may not feel it's wrong to engage in porn, but they do it behind closed doors because CLEARLY it's a private matter, one THEY understand but don't feel others may understand in the same way. Then again, *most* people having sex, do it behind close doors, from their parents, children, friends, whomever!!! But of course no one feels ashamed about that?

I think the issue with porn is when it becomes a problem. Clearly it can become a problem if it's an obsession, for a variety of reasons. But i think more importantly it can become a problem if it's not understood within a marrage or relationship. Marriage should probably come first.

But suppose that it doesn't breakup the marriage. suppose it's well understood within the couple...this is what they like to do, they're into it. they're okay with it...they understand each other, maybe they enjoy it together, maybe they don't. i don't really feel we have a right to tell them what to do. i think in this way, the argument is not whether porn is good or condonable, but whether or not it should be tolerated or even accepted.

Where i think i do draw the line is with children in general. as the brain developes and matures, i think it's very clear that many things can have a strong impact both psychologically and chemically on the mind during those stages. I would go as far to say that *excessive* porn in a teenager's life would be problematic in a similar way as excessive drug use would.

though we may be provoked and tempted quite effectively, i think ultimately we are responsible for our actions. whether it's sex, food, power, money, or whatever. the draw has always been there and it will always be there, and the fact that we need to make the right decisions for ourselves has not changed.


:ne_nau:

[Udink]

And when people start to indulge in it, although innocently at first, it has drastic consequences down the road.
Your argument is NOTHING unless you can specify exactly what these "drastic consequences" are, and exactly how porn CAUSES them. I would love to hear your reasoning behind this, because I fail to see how seeing a naked body or bodies leads to sexual deviancy or worse. Like Windwalker said, how can you be so sure that it's not sexual deviancy that leads to somebody watching porn, rather than watching porn that leads to sexual deviancy?

[Reedus]

When it comes to marriage and pornography, I really have a problem. Viewing pornography (usually the man hiding it from his wife) is the same as cheating on your spouse in my opinion. You are allowing yourself to be aroused by someone or something other than your wife. Doesn't marriage vows apply to having a relation ship with "Veronica" on some steamy website?

[Reedus]

I am not going to prove it because it is next to impossible to prove the relationship between pornography and sexual deviancy. The consequences I allude to are the ones I see everyday. I had a friend that was arrested for sexual assault, He was into porn? Another aquaintance is heavily into porn and treats every girl he meets like she is some sort of prey that he has to conquer.

[stefan]

When it comes to marriage and pornography, I really have a problem. Viewing pornography (usually the man hiding it from his wife) is the same as cheating on your souse in my opinion. You are allowing yourself to be aroused by someone or something other than your wife. Doesn't marriage vows apply to having a relation ship with "Veronica" on some steamy website?

Viewing it as cheating might be a good way to keep yourself away from porn, but it think again it depends on the marriage. i think some probably will have problems and some may not.

some people draw the line differently. are you suggesting that they cannot?

:ne_nau:

[Reedus]

I happen to work with a kid that his wife buys the stuff for him when she goes to Wyoming. I STILL think it is cheating whether she is fine with it or not. But then I guess you have to define cheating. Is cheating just physical sexual contact or does it include fantacizing about another woman or man. Andrei Kirilenko's wife gave him permission to have freebees with other women. Is he cheating when he pimps the girls on road trips or is it okay since he got pre-approval from his wife?

[DickHead]

My wife would think its funny.
It was opened with a warning, "not workplace friendly".
That wasn't porn, and if you think it was, obviously you're not even sure what porn is.
No matter what you think, I thought it was damn funny.
:haha:

[James_B_Wads2000]

Probably beating a dead horse here:

I can

[greyhair biker]

pretty simple stuff here if you think about it. Everyone has been given 'agency' or freedom to choose....everyone, regardless of their beliefs. Remember the "GIGO" ...garbage in garbage out. You are always the one to choose what youre going to put in and get out....having said that I think it's funny but I have a warped sense of humor and yes, I would be embarrassed if my mom saw it in the same room with me....my wife wouldnt like it but she'd laugh anyway. :ne_nau:

[Reedus]

I, on the other hand, cannot quite understand the reasoning between letting evil things be. Why ban guns? Guns don't kill people, people kill people. How about drugs? Why not just make them legal and let everybody have at them with their "freeagency"? Some things just need to have restrictions imposed on them or they are abused by the bad judgements of people that lack the will to say no. You are probably wondering what this has to do with porn. I believe it is evil and degrades women. I also believe that it can become an addiction just the same as cigarettes or illegal drugs. And when you become addicted you LOSE your free agency. You become enslaved to the constant cravings of whatever you allow yourself to become addicted to. Some people addicted to cigarettes can't even have a good nights rest without having to wake up and light one up. Men that become addicted to porn usually spend more and more time at the office or whever they find their privacy and less and less time with their wife and kids. :cool2:

[Scott P]

I'm going to take Reedus side here.

Why? It is not because of forcing morals or something similar, but because the site owner(s) own this site and have their choice to decide what is or isn't posted.

Here is what is posted under the rules (complete with link):

http://uutah.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3

[quote]Common sense here: This is a family site, so no foul language or R rated content. We won

[Sombeech]

Bottom line is, we like this site to be welcome at work, and around your family.

One of the main purposes of this site is to show your family at home, and your friends at work, the things and places you've been to. We want this place to be a database of the Great Utah Outdoors, so people will use us as a reference guide for their next weekend getaway.

And then we have the General Discussion area for those of us who want to talk about misc. subjects. This is where we hit the grey areas.

Even though the video clip is pixelated, and yes, I happened to chuckle at it, we have to decide where to draw the line.

We want the forum to be "safe for work". But, if something indicates it's "not safe for work", but it's still "PG-13", what do we do?

This is a hot thread, so I'm gonna edit the first post and add a poll to it. Yeah, we all know I'm a poll idiot, but this is a way for us to voice our opinions without necessarily making a post.