Immigration Issue

[derstuka]

Here is a touchy subject, however, it is a HOT HOT one recently. What are your feelings on illegal immigration? I will say, I know that many jobs (such as field workers) would not be desirable by many others in the job field today, and many of these workers may be the reason that some foods (as well as many other products) are as cheap as they are, but it also gives employers the ability to mistreat the workers because the are not registered. Does that mean that I support illegal immigration? No, I do not, however, seeing where we are at, I do think that some sort of guest worker program may be feasible, and workers could be employed when needed based upon needs. All workers would be documented. I don't really totally agree with a blanket green card for all illegals though. There has to be some penalty for breaking the law, otherwise it will just encourage more and more illegal immigration. Also, what does it say to all the people from other countries who have been waiting in line like everybody else trying to get in the legal way?

Yes, this country was found by immigrants, and I do believe in others being able to work for a better life, but, I just believe that there has to be a procedure to it, and documentation as well.

[Sombeech]

Yes, this country was found by immigrants, and I do believe in others being able to work for a better life, but, I just believe that there has to be a procedure to it, and documentation as well.

This is true. People need to realize that we are not opposing foreigners from coming here. We just want it done legally, like my ancestors did, and most likely yours.

We're not racist, and we're not "USA extremists", we just want a procedure for this issue.

There are many issues that make people angry, such as jobs, insurance, medical care, education... :blahblah: But one thing is for certain. To round everybody up and begin to send them back would be an impossible task. It would require more armed forces than we currently have employed, plus transportation that we do not have available, plus the cost of an operation like this would be through the roof.

So now what? I say we fix the border first, then see what to do with the illegals. Atleast we would fix the "leak" in the dam, and eventually be able to deal with the water. We can't try to export them before fixing the border, or the numbers wouldn't go down.

[rockgremlin]

I just don't understand the stance that many of the illegals are taking lately by taking to the streets in protest. You are not legal citizens of this country -- what makes you think you have the right to make any demands of our government? Go get legal status and THEN (and only then) you have every right to protest.

Its kind of like prison inmates who think they should have every right that the average person living outside of prison has. :roll: UM - NO!! YOU LOST YOUR CIVIL PRIVALEGES THE MINUTE THOSE CUFFS WERE SLAPPED ON YOUR WRISTS!!

[James_B_Wads2000]

Wow what a controversial subject, I want in.


I just don't understand the stance that many of the illegals are taking lately by taking to the streets in protest. You are not legal citizens of this country -- what makes you think you have the right to make any demands of our government? Go get legal status and THEN (and only then) you have every right to protest.



I have to say I disagree. At some point you have to talk about human rights. These people are living and working here, and are the backbone of this economy. Some have been living here most of there lives. I think it is within there rights as human beings to have a voice in the debate that will determine the outcomes of there lives. Legal is a relative term. I don

[Udink]

[quote=James_B_Wads2000]I have to say I disagree. At some point you have to talk about human rights. These people are living and working here, and are the backbone of this economy. Some have been living here most of there lives. I think it is within there rights as human beings to have a voice in the debate that will determine the outcomes of there lives. Legal is a relative term. I don

[fourtycal]

by Theodore Roosevelt,

"In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile...We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people"

It's as clear as day to me.
If they want to join us then do it legally, if they want to march the streets waving the flag of Mexico, just keep marching til you're south of the border!

[shagster]

I have to agree with Sombeech and fortycal on this one. If any person regardless of ethnicity wants to come into the states to live a better life, do it legally. The other thing that drives me crazy about this whole thing is when people come here and expect us to learn their language so they can communicate with us. If they are going to come here hell at least learn English and how to communicate. I have nothing wrong with people that come here legally to live a better life, everyone should have that opportunity to progress. Just do it legally and don't complain that you can't communicate with us because we don't speak your language.

[rockgremlin]

Legal is a relative term.

:roflol: :roflol: :roflol: :roflol: :roflol: I'll have to remember that one the next time I'm pulled over for speeding.

[quote=James_B_Wads2000]I don

[Sombeech]

Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all.

Exactly. I love images like the one below with the protestors waving their "home" flag.

http://www.nationalvanguard.org/images/teaser/mexico_protest.jpg

They have pride in Mexico, but they do not want to be there...

If they want to be Americans, then for Hell's sake, try to be American!!! This involves certain procedures (which are undecided at the moment), but procedures nonetheless. Sure, we all came from immigrant ancestors, EVEN the "native" americans. Most of the scholars believe that even THEY traveled to this continent at sometime, from somewhere.

If amnesty is immediately granted to these illegals, what will be the restitution paid to the LEGAL immigrants? Do they get a refund?

[live2ride]

Go to mexico and do what they are doing, they would poke your ass with a cow prod and throw you in jail, so why is it correct to pass a law to protect those that have already broken a law?

[Sombeech]

Go to mexico and do what they are doing, they would poke your ass with a cow prod and throw you in jail

Either that, or make you the main attraction in the Donkey Show. :eek2:

Amnesty will not stop the incoming flow of illegals, it will only encourage it. The real problem is solving the border issue NOW, then worry about what to do with them later.

Let's say water is flooding into my basement, (this may be realistic for some of you these last few days). It's coming in like a garden hose. I'm going to stop the leak first, then break out the Shop Vac. If I get the shop vac first, the water will keep coming in. At some point, don't I have to fix that leak?

We would like to hope that these immigrants are all honest, hard workers. But when the first thing they do in our country is break the law, that's a pretty rough start. :ne_nau:

[RugerShooter]

Wow what a controversial subject, I want in.

[quote=rockgremlin]I just don't understand the stance that many of the illegals are taking lately by taking to the streets in protest. You are not legal citizens of this country -- what makes you think you have the right to make any demands of our government? Go get legal status and THEN (and only then) you have every right to protest.



I have to say I disagree. At some point you have to talk about human rights. These people are living and working here, and are the backbone of this economy. Some have been living here most of there lives. I think it is within there rights as human beings to have a voice in the debate that will determine the outcomes of there lives. Legal is a relative term. I don

[savanna3313]

by Theodore Roosevelt,

"In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile...We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people"

It's as clear as day to me. If they want to join us then do it legally, if they want to march the streets waving the flag of Mexico, just keep marching til you're south of the border!

Agreed. Someone emailed me those words of Teddy Roosevelt earlier in the week, and I thought "Amen!" Here is an email I received with a reverse twist to this situation This will probably add fuel to the fire, but there is a lot of truth to it. The sad part is that most of the illegals here are hardworking people looking to make a better life. They take jobs that most American citizen would consider beneath them. The situation is nothing new, it's just coming to a head now.

Dear President Bush:

I'm about to plan a little trip with my family and extended family, and
I would like to ask you to assist me. I'm going to walk across the
border from the U.S. into Mexico, and I need to make a few
arrangements. I know you can help with this.

I plan to skip all the legal stuff like visas, passports, immigration
quotas and laws. I'm sure they handle those things the same way you do
here.

So, would you mind telling your buddy, President Vicente Fox, that I'm
on my way over? Please let him know that I will be expecting the
following:

1. Free medical care for my entire family.

2. English-speaking government bureaucrats for all services I might
need, whether I use them or not.

3. All government forms need to be printed in English.

4. I want my kids to be taught by English-speaking teachers.

5. Schools need to include classes on American culture and history.

6. I want my kids to see the American flag flying on the top of the
flag pole at their school with the Mexican flag flying lower down.

7. Please plan to feed my kids at school for both breakfast and lunch.

8. I will need a local Mexican driver's license so I can get easy
access to government services.

9. I do not plan to have any car insurance, and I won't make any effort
to learn local traffic laws.

10. In case one of the Mexican police officers does not get the memo
from Pres. Fox to leave me alone, please be sure that all police
officers speak English.

11. I plan to fly the U.S. flag from my house top, put flag decals on
my car, and have a gigantic celebration on July 4th. I do not want any
complaints or negative comments from the locals.

12. I would also like to have a nice job without paying any taxes, and
don't enforce any labor laws or tax laws.

13. Please tell all the people in the country to be extremely nice and
never say a critical word about me, or about the strain I might place
on the economy.

I know this is an easy request because you already do all these things
for all the people who come to the U.S. from Mexico. I am sure that
Pres. Fox won't mind returning the favor if you ask him nicely.
However, if he gives you any trouble, just invite him to go quail
hunting with your V.P.

Thank you so much for your kind help.

Sincerely,

Mr. US Citizen

[derstuka]

by Theodore Roosevelt,

"In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile...We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people"

It's as clear as day to me. If they want to join us then do it legally, if they want to march the streets waving the flag of Mexico, just keep marching til you're south of the border!

Agreed. Someone emailed me those words of Teddy Roosevelt earlier in the week, and I thought "Amen!" Here is an email I received with a reverse twist to this situation This will probably add fuel to the fire, but there is a lot of truth to it. The sad part is that most of the illegals here are hardworking people looking to make a better life. They take jobs that most American citizen would consider beneath them. The situation is nothing new, it's just coming to a head now.

Dear President Bush:

I'm about to plan a little trip with my family and extended family, and
I would like to ask you to assist me. I'm going to walk across the
border from the U.S. into Mexico, and I need to make a few
arrangements. I know you can help with this.

I plan to skip all the legal stuff like visas, passports, immigration
quotas and laws. I'm sure they handle those things the same way you do
here.

So, would you mind telling your buddy, President Vicente Fox, that I'm
on my way over? Please let him know that I will be expecting the
following:

1. Free medical care for my entire family.

2. English-speaking government bureaucrats for all services I might
need, whether I use them or not.

3. All government forms need to be printed in English.

4. I want my kids to be taught by English-speaking teachers.

5. Schools need to include classes on American culture and history.

6. I want my kids to see the American flag flying on the top of the
flag pole at their school with the Mexican flag flying lower down.

7. Please plan to feed my kids at school for both breakfast and lunch.

8. I will need a local Mexican driver's license so I can get easy
access to government services.

9. I do not plan to have any car insurance, and I won't make any effort
to learn local traffic laws.

10. In case one of the Mexican police officers does not get the memo
from Pres. Fox to leave me alone, please be sure that all police
officers speak English.

11. I plan to fly the U.S. flag from my house top, put flag decals on
my car, and have a gigantic celebration on July 4th. I do not want any
complaints or negative comments from the locals.

12. I would also like to have a nice job without paying any taxes, and
don't enforce any labor laws or tax laws.

13. Please tell all the people in the country to be extremely nice and
never say a critical word about me, or about the strain I might place
on the economy.

I know this is an easy request because you already do all these things
for all the people who come to the U.S. from Mexico. I am sure that
Pres. Fox won't mind returning the favor if you ask him nicely.
However, if he gives you any trouble, just invite him to go quail
hunting with your V.P.

Thank you so much for your kind help.

Sincerely,

Mr. US Citizen


This is beautiful Savanna! Too bad it is actually speaking the truth.

You need to add that anytime someone complains about my illegal immigration status, they are an ABSOLUTE racist. I have the right to use the word racist for anytime that I do not get things my way, regardless if I am breaking the law or not, and if anybody ever complains about anything else that I do, they are racist as well.

People call the "Minute Men" border patrol watch group all racists all here in San Diego. All they are doing is helping the government enforce a law by calling the border patrol when they see people crossing illegally. Man, what bastards, I cannot believe that they would do such a thing! :roll:

So many of these protestors do not understand that if you were to knock down the border enforcement completely it would be close to utter chaos for the economy, schools, crime, poverty, and so on....don't ya love protestors that simply just jump on the bandwagon just because everybody else is, without any idea of possible resolutions? All you need is a Mexican flag and to yell the word racist over and over if anybody disagrees.

[derstuka]

Go to mexico and do what they are doing, they would poke your ass with a cow prod and throw you in jail

Either that, or make you the main attraction in the Donkey Show. :eek2:

Amnesty will not stop the incoming flow of illegals, it will only encourage it. The real problem is solving the border issue NOW, then worry about what to do with them later.

Let's say water is flooding into my basement, (this may be realistic for some of you these last few days). It's coming in like a garden hose. I'm going to stop the leak first, then break out the Shop Vac. If I get the shop vac first, the water will keep coming in. At some point, don't I have to fix that leak?


I agree totally with fixing our borders, always have, but that has such strong opposition that I fear it is near impossible to be done. Right now, it is as easy as just walking across a field, as the vast majority of the border has no fence whatsoever.

Hell, last year we (California) almost passed a law to give driver's licenses out to illegals here.

[rockgremlin]

Nice post Savanna.

I'm sick and tired of hearing the argument that "Mexicans do manual labor that Americans normally wouldn't do." That's BULLSHIT! In the first place, how degrading is that to Mexicans? How is that an argument in favor of illegal immigration? That statement in itself is extremely degrading to Mexicans! It basically says that the only thing they are good for is doing the shit jobs that the privaleged U.S. citizens don't want to do.

Another thing is....consider this....guess how much income tax illegal immigrants pay on the wages they earn? ABSOLUTELY NADA! NOTHING! ZILCH!! You and I and every other LEGAL Mexican pays income tax. Illegals do not. Again I ask.......IS THIS FAIR?!!

Go ahead - fire away with your racist comment towards me. All I'm advocating is fair and honest immigration. If you want to come to the U.S., then by all means come.....just play by the rules like everyone else!!

[savanna3313]

:popcorn:

[rockgremlin]

:popcorn:

[savanna3313]

No need for an attack on me, or anyone else here who states their opinion. The funny part is that for you to zero in on that one statement makes me wonder if you even read my entire post. That was just a very small piece of it. If you go back and read it again, you will see that I was agreeing with Fortycal's post. I feel that the illegal immigrant situation is out of hand and needs serious correction.

No I DID read your entire article!! I was agreeing with you. I wasn't being cynical or sarcastic at all. In addition to agreeing with you, I wanted to also add that I was sick of hearing that illegal emigration was good because Mexicans do menial jobs. :roll:

I'm having a "Duh" moment here....my apologies. :lol8: I just realized (before I saw your next post) that you weren't being sarcastic back to me, so I removed the post. :2thumbs:

[RugerShooter]

Dear President Bush:

I'm about to plan a little trip with my family and extended family, and
I would like to ask you to assist me. I'm going to walk across the
border from the U.S. into Mexico, and I need to make a few
arrangements. I know you can help with this.

I plan to skip all the legal stuff like visas, passports, immigration
quotas and laws. I'm sure they handle those things the same way you do
here.

So, would you mind telling your buddy, President Vicente Fox, that I'm
on my way over? Please let him know that I will be expecting the
following:

1. Free medical care for my entire family.

2. English-speaking government bureaucrats for all services I might
need, whether I use them or not.

3. All government forms need to be printed in English.

4. I want my kids to be taught by English-speaking teachers.

5. Schools need to include classes on American culture and history.

6. I want my kids to see the American flag flying on the top of the
flag pole at their school with the Mexican flag flying lower down.

7. Please plan to feed my kids at school for both breakfast and lunch.

8. I will need a local Mexican driver's license so I can get easy
access to government services.

9. I do not plan to have any car insurance, and I won't make any effort
to learn local traffic laws.

10. In case one of the Mexican police officers does not get the memo
from Pres. Fox to leave me alone, please be sure that all police
officers speak English.

11. I plan to fly the U.S. flag from my house top, put flag decals on
my car, and have a gigantic celebration on July 4th. I do not want any
complaints or negative comments from the locals.

12. I would also like to have a nice job without paying any taxes, and
don't enforce any labor laws or tax laws.

13. Please tell all the people in the country to be extremely nice and
never say a critical word about me, or about the strain I might place
on the economy.

I know this is an easy request because you already do all these things
for all the people who come to the U.S. from Mexico. I am sure that
Pres. Fox won't mind returning the favor if you ask him nicely.
However, if he gives you any trouble, just invite him to go quail
hunting with your V.P.

Thank you so much for your kind help.

Sincerely,

Mr. US Citizen

Wow I love this email you got I totally agree with it could not be put any better way

[rockgremlin]

:popcorn:

I'm having a "Duh" moment here....my apologies. :lol8: I just realized (before I saw your next post) that you weren't being sarcastic back to me, so I removed the post. :2thumbs:

Huh?! :roflol:

[rockgremlin]

It must be Friday... :lol8:

[derstuka]

Nice post Savanna.

I'm sick and tired of hearing the argument that "Mexicans do manual labor that Americans normally wouldn't do." That's BULLSHIT! In the first place, how degrading is that to Mexicans? How is that an argument in favor of illegal immigration? That statement in itself is extremely degrading to Mexicans! It basically says that the only thing they are good for is doing the shit jobs that the privaleged U.S. citizens don't want to do.

Another thing is....consider this....guess how much income tax illegal immigrants pay on the wages they earn? ABSOLUTELY NADA! NOTHING! ZILCH!! You and I and every other LEGAL Mexican pays income tax. Illegals do not. Again I ask.......IS THIS FAIR?!!

Go ahead - fire away with your racist comment towards me. All I'm advocating is fair and honest immigration. If you want to come to the U.S., then by all means come.....just play by the rules like everyone else!!

I can't believe you Rock! You are nothing but a blatant racist S.O.B! How could you say such things??? :nono: I am sick to my stomach! :lol8:

[rockgremlin]

:haha: I know, I know, how ruthless of me....to expect everyone in our country to obey the laws of the land. :haha:

[Sombeech]

Hell, last year we (California) almost passed a law to give driver's licenses out to illegals here.

I remember that!!! :ahhh: :ahhh: :dropmouth: :ahhh: :ahhh:

It was a popular thing, too! That's when I started thinking about NOT paying for insurance. It's always the insured who end up getting screwed anyways.

[James_B_Wads2000]

Once again it is everybody vs. me. I love it!!! :assault:

I have to say for starters that about two years ago I felt the same way as all of the rest of you: come here legally, speak English, and don

[James_B_Wads2000]

Since when is coming into the United States, whether legally or illegally, a basic human right?

Well coming to the US is obviously not a basic human right. But I would say that every person has the right to try to better their life and the lives of their children. You can say that doesn

[rockgremlin]

No offense James. I'm the same as you. I'm confrontational on-line, but in person I'm harmless, and at the end of the day I don't wanna make enemies either.

Mostly I like to flap my lips just for a reaction.

[Sombeech]

[quote=James_B_Wads2000]But do you honeslty think that some guy is a piss poor village in Mexico who has a chance to make his life better by going north is going to give a rat

[Udink]

[quote=James_B_Wads2000]Well coming to the US is obviously not a basic human right. But I would say that every person has the right to try to better their life and the lives of their children. You can say that doesn

[live2ride]

Well, here I am in New Mexico minding my own business and tonight I was trying to find the local Golds Gym to go and work out, but what happened? I was caught in the middle of the protest and it took me 30 minutes to get 2 miles, I had to laugh because I was stuck in the middle of all the honking, screaming and stuff and people thought I was there, the solo white boy marching with them all, it was great. I thought maybee someone would get a laugh out of it!! :haha:

[Iceaxe]

Q: Why doesn't Mexico ever win any Olympic medals?

A: Beause every Mexican that can run, jump or swim is in the USA :lol8:

[Sombeech]

Q: Why doesn't Mexico ever win any Olympic medals?

A: Beause every Mexican that can run, jump or swim is in the USA :lol8:

:haha: I was waiting for that one...

[accadacca]

I was caught in the middle of the protest and it took me 30 minutes to get 2 miles, I had to laugh because I was stuck in the middle of all the honking, screaming and stuff and people thought I was there, the solo white boy marching with them all, it was great. I thought maybee someone would get a laugh out of it!! :haha:
:roflol: :bootyshake:

[derstuka]

[quote=Sombeech][quote=James_B_Wads2000]But do you honeslty think that some guy is a piss poor village in Mexico who has a chance to make his life better by going north is going to give a rat

[rockgremlin]

I agree with you Derstuka. I also would like to add that if our southern border is completely unregulated, then any and all terrorists who wanna make another shot at the White House have an equivalent of an open invitation.

[James_B_Wads2000]

Here is a scenario for you all. Teardown the border, get rid of the border patrol, and just let whoever wants to come into the US come on in. What would this do to our economy, our way of life, crime, unemployment and so on? Think about all the things you have in your life. Would your kids be as safe, your family? When you have large amount of unemployment and poverty, crime (historically) goes way up. Come down to San Diego and I will give you a nice tour of the "non-tourist areas" of Mexico for an example. Would you be willing to give up your car(s), your toys, your house (moving into a small apt) so that the money could be used to better someone else's life? Why not let them move in with you, or better yet, move to their country, so they can take your place? Donate a portion of your check to them. I am being serious. If you agree with these ideas, then I say that you are a true humanitarian, otherwise, you may be a hypocrite, as you like to say that whoever wants to come over (by any illegal/unregulated means) can do so. Lots of people can talk the talk, but, they are quickly shut up when it comes to walking the walk.

Here is a scenario for you all. Let

[Iceaxe]

[quote=James_B_Wads2000]Let

[Sombeech]

Sounds good to me :2thumbs:

:haha:

[derstuka]

[quote=derstuka]Here is a scenario for you all. Teardown the border, get rid of the border patrol, and just let whoever wants to come into the US come on in. What would this do to our economy, our way of life, crime, unemployment and so on? Think about all the things you have in your life. Would your kids be as safe, your family? When you have large amount of unemployment and poverty, crime (historically) goes way up. Come down to San Diego and I will give you a nice tour of the "non-tourist areas" of Mexico for an example. Would you be willing to give up your car(s), your toys, your house (moving into a small apt) so that the money could be used to better someone else's life? Why not let them move in with you, or better yet, move to their country, so they can take your place? Donate a portion of your check to them. I am being serious. If you agree with these ideas, then I say that you are a true humanitarian, otherwise, you may be a hypocrite, as you like to say that whoever wants to come over (by any illegal/unregulated means) can do so. Lots of people can talk the talk, but, they are quickly shut up when it comes to walking the walk.

Here is a scenario for you all. Let

[savanna3313]

derstuka! :five:

This is getting good..... :popcorn:

[James_B_Wads2000]

James, James, James....did your professor help you with that writing? I am amazed that you wrote that. Did you copy it out of a book? You even used my format. I guess that was to get back at me. Well, Mr. Humanitarian, James B Wads, it is hard to give someone like yourself any credibility, especially after how you insulted Hesse awhile back by calling her a dumbass and making fun of her english when she was debating with you and had a differing opinion. Is that how you deal with the language barrier? Before that, you already lost all credibility months ago when I saw how many times when get into an argument you have to result to using vulgarities and insulting people who do not agree with you. Is this the way that you get at home whenever you don't get your way? Do you yell at the wifey and kid(s) a lot, calling them names when they do not agree with you? Tell the truth now. Do you rage at home??? I bet you do. I remember how you were swearing at that female bicyclist that you honked at awhile ago who was the same lane as you. Wasn't your child nearby to see how proudly their daddy swore at a woman bicyclist? Do you want your kids to grow up as immature and ignorant as you act towards others?

Oh, and I never wanted a 30 foot electrified fence, but for the sake of your argument, until it does happen, since you want amnesty for all, do as I recommended, and help the process out by inviting an illegal immigrant family to live in your house with you, and any excess money that you have should be donated to help other immigrant families (just remember not to swear at them if they don't speak english) in need. As stated, give them your car to use, food to live on, get them medical help, and so on. I don't want to hear any complaints either. Mr. Humanitarian James B Wads needs to learn to walk the walk, and not just spew vulgarities and insults out with his talk.

Oh, and before your next response, I love you! :haha:


Let me first start off by saying that I am not trying to erode this thread into a personal insult and mud throwing contest. Now hear me out before any of you go off. I guess I have to explain my eairler post. The first paragraph was sarcasm. I took derstuka's exact paragraph and slanted in the extreme oppisite view to what he had written. Then I explained how I felt in the second paragraph. But I will restate it here with no swear words to derail your train of thought. Nobody here (me included) is advocating opening the floodgates and causing the direct distruction of the United States, and nobody is advocating my equally unlikly senerio of miltiarizing the border/ destroying the ecnomy of the US.

Was I taking a stab at your (derstuka) line of thinking? Yes I was. Was I attacking you pesonally? No I was not, and I am sorry if you felt that way. Did I say your argument sounded ignorant? Yes I did because to me it did.

It is funny to me that everytime I swear, either at someone or at something, that some people get all hung up on the few swear words I say and completely miss any point I am trying to make. To me swearing means nothing so I forget that it is such a no-no to others. But in an effort for anyone to disreguard everything in this post and help them label me as a mean guy: a**, sh*t, H*ll, damn, f*ck, c*nt, slut, bastard and what not.

What were we talking about again

[rockgremlin]

I agree that the solution lies somewhere in the middle.

That said.....game on! :popcorn:

[Iceaxe]

For James :lol8:

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WARNING: While the video is not offense some of the ads for hot naked chicks wanting you might be.


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[Sombeech]

WARNING: While the video is not offense some of the ads for hot naked chicks wanting you might be.

Dude, that's amazing!! All of those girls are from my same town. What a coincidence!!!!

[Iceaxe]

Dude, that's amazing!! All of those girls are from my same town. What a coincidence!!!!

Imagine my surprise when I discovered there were hundreds of horny hotties just waiting to have sex with me :roflol: