Grizzly Man on the Discovery Channel

[donny h]

This friday, I believe at 8:00.

It's the story of Timothy Treadwell, the fella' that got himself and his girlfriend consumed during his 14th season spent among the griz.

Here is a fun quote from a review of the movie:

So enthused is he that at one point he films a bear taking a dump and with childlike softness and joy, walks over to the still steaming feces, puts his hand in it and starts proclaiming, "this was inside of her! And it came out of her butt! I can feel it, I can feel it! This poop was inside of her!"

Yeah. Right. Nice bear, pretty bear, here beary beary beary...

[basilone0331]

If I remember correctly he was once quoted as saying he "would be honored
to become bear scat" Guess he got what he wanted.

[chickenlicken]

Can you say "NUT BAR"?

[TreeHugger]

Is this the actual movie that came out, or a different documentary? Do you know? I'd like to see that, actually.

[david staub]

A couple of years ago I wanted to take my wife backpacking in Alaska. She did not want to go because she is extremely afraid of bears. After pestering her for weeks she asked, "What if we see a bear?" I responded, "You just run." To which she asked, "You can outrun a bear?" I calmly responded, "No, but I can outrun you."

[hesse15]

saw the movie on theater
a little disappointed
beatiful shootage of bears
but the guy was totally insane (really really mental problems) and the doctor that do the autopsy is from some very cheap horror movie
i was sad for the poor bear and for the girl
they were the only 2 they they do not deserve to die
the guy?
was thinking that bears were little puppy to play with
wrong
was thinking to be a bear himself
wrong
was using the bear to be famous
wrong
was modifying nature to make better footage of the bears
wrong

[derstuka]

saw i was sad for the poor bear and for the girl
they were the only 2 they they do not deserve to die
the guy?

Yes, sad indeed that two bears were shot because of both of these loons. Personally, I disagree though with feeling sad for the girl. I think that if you voluntarily live with the bears in their territory, you have already put your life at risk, and if mother-nature steps in, so be it. The girl already was taking that risk. Look at how many grizzlies/bears have been killed already because of hikers/hunters/explorers intruding onto their secluded natural habitat, or trying to kill the bear for fur/food in the first place. Many people (and the media) usually portray the person as so innocent, but maybe the animal was as well. Maybe it was just trying to protect itself or its kin.

Here in San Diego, many coyotes/cougars/bobcats have been killed just because people build houses closer and closer to their habitat (or in their habitat entirely), and they get killed simply because people complain about seeing them and that they make them nervous...even though they are living on their territory (oh, and I'm not talking about a cougar that stalks and kills people relentlessly) I mean, in those instances, where are the animals supposed to go because of this habitat encroachment by humans?

If a cougar gets my ass while riding, I guess might have had it coming. I won't be enthusiastic about getting killed/eaten, but may be my own fault in the first place. I think I need some more bear spray!

[david staub]

that is why I tie a tin cup to my backpack while hiking in the back country, or sing or whistle while hiking. We are intruding on their territory and most attacks occur when we surprise them. If they hear us coming, they usually get out of the way.

[James_B_Wads2000]

Is this the actual movie that came out, or a different documentary? Do you know? I'd like to see that, actually.

I looked it up and it is the documentary by Werner Herzog that was in the movie theaters last year. It shows tomorrow and Saturday at 6:00pm and then again right after at 9:00pm on the Discovery Channel. (but check your local listings for the exact time in your area)

An amazing piece of work that dives deep into the heart of a man. You sh*theads should really watch it before passing your internet forum judgment on the guy. And for the record no one "deserves" to be eaten by a bear, no matter how crazy you think they are. If your take is that he was playing with fire and was just a matter of time before he was burned, then don't forget that woman that was eaten with him came along willingly with him to the Alaskan wilderness to play with fire.

One more point for those of you that cry for the bear that died, that bear was shot as it aggressively charged the ranger that was called on the scene of the attack of Tidwell and his girlfriend. If any of you were at a site where a bear had just eaten two people and a bear charged you, you wouldn't think twice about blowing that bear away. If you say otherwise you would be lying.

James

[hesse15]

Is this the actual movie that came out, or a different documentary? Do you know? I'd like to see that, actually.

I looked it up and it is the documentary by Werner Herzog that was in the movie theaters last year. It shows tomorrow and Saturday at 6:00pm and then again right after at 9:00pm on the Discovery Channel. (but check your local listings for the exact time in your area)

An amazing piece of work that dives deep into the heart of a man. You sh*theads should really watch it before passing your internet forum judgment on the guy. And for the record no one "deserves" to be eaten by a bear, no matter how crazy you think they are. If your take is that he was playing with fire and was just a matter of time before he was burned, then don't forget that woman that was eaten with him came along willingly with him to the Alaskan wilderness to play with fire.

One more point for those of you that cry for the bear that died, that bear was shot as it aggressively charged the ranger that was called on the scene of the attack of Tidwell and his girlfriend. If any of you were at a site where a bear had just eaten two people and a bear charged you, you would think twice about blowing that bear away. If you say otherwise you would be lying.

James
tottally disagree
i saw the movie
the girl DID NOT WANT GO the guy told her to go that was safe
nd she died try to save tha guy life (watch the movie again)

and for the movie SHE WAS SCARED TO DEATH by the bears
watch the movie again
That was a place were bears live and no HUMANS
so the guy arrive with a plane off course the bear was scared
and when you enter in a animal habitat and you get close to a bear usually bear attack
again the is a reservation not a turistic parks for humans
and com on a guy that sleep with a teddy bear and says "I am a bear too"
again I am a biologist and the guy tottally disrupt the animals habitat changing the river flow to help the bears fishing
how you call that?
by the way if i jump from a 5 floors building and i died
my parents will says that i deserve itand they will not have piety for my stupidity
here in USA they will says that i was a brave person
sorry in europe we still know that bears are dangerous and can kill and you do not play little kitty cat with them.
but seems here people still think the jogy bear from yellowstone cartoon is real!!!

[donny h]

One more point for those of you that cry for the bear that died, that bear was shot as it aggressively charged the ranger that was called on the scene of the attack of Tidwell and his girlfriend.
James

Some folks who are familiar with those bears don't believe the large male (141) killed at the scene actually killed those two people, they believe 141 chased off the smaller male responsible for the deaths, taking away a kill in 141s own territory.

141 charged because he was aggressively protecting his cache, standard brown bear behavior, even Treadwell wouldn't be dumb enough to approach a griz protecting a fresh kill.

He brainwashed that girl with his disneyesque philosophy, it is a free country, she made her own choices, but Treadwell made that girl pay for her naivete with her life. What really gets me is that he called for help during the attack, if he told her to escape she may have been able to do just that, instead she tried to help, and got killed.

Every time a bear attack is reported, or a bear is killed in self defense, there will be a rash of bear shootings as people react to the reports.

Treadwell probably triggered a response that killed a couple dozen bears in the north country in the following months.

Quote from a ranger to Treadwell, long before the attack: "If my staff has to kill a bear because of you, we will never forgive you".

So we know what the rangers think, no matter what they are saying now.

One thing I find humorous, if you visit the website of the group Treadwell started, grizzlypeople, there are instructions for bear country behavior on the opening page. If Treadwell had followed his own advice, he would still be in the wild, perpetrating his myths, acclimating bears to humans, continuing the damage he caused the browns.

Side note: There was a Russian version of Treadwell, he lasted 25 seasons with the browns in Kamchatka before being killed a few months after Treadwell.

[derstuka]

that is why I tie a tin cup to my backpack while hiking in the back country, or sing or whistle while hiking. We are intruding on their territory and most attacks occur when we surprise them. If they hear us coming, they usually get out of the way.

Yeah, great point. I used to have a couple bells on my previous camelbak, but they must have fell off when I stacked or something. I think I am gonna have to stop at Petco to pick up another dog bell for it. :haha:

[James_B_Wads2000]

Again you guys totally miss my point. I am not trying to defend the guy

[david staub]

I saw some program on tv recently about animals and animal attacks. they showed a segment about a trained (really?) bear that was on some type of tv program. I think he was sitting in a chair. A woman sat down next to him and when the bear looked over and noticed her there, he attacked. Fortunately, he had a muzzle on. But he did attack with claws. I still believe that when these animals are surprised or there is something out of the ordinary for them, they attack. We are guests when we go into their habitat and just need to announce our presence.

[hesse15]

[quote=James_B_Wads2000]
Equating his death to suicide is ignorant. Do you think your parents would say you deserved to die if you were rockclimbing and an anchor pulled out of the rock and you fell to your death? Would they say,

[derstuka]

were I grow up keychain-biners and regular quicklink they do not say nothing
here in USA they have to write "NOT FOR CLIMB" to avoid dumb brainless people to climb on them.
here they have also to tell you that petting a bear is dangerous ,climbing is dangerous ,shower with your haidryer on is dangerous.

:ne_nau: you do not know that?

Stupid people are all over the world. It just so happens that the USA is a very lawsuit happy country, and since many people don't like to take personal responsibility for their actions, they have to put up signs to try and limit their liability. Many people come here from other countries, and jump on the bandwagon once they realize how easy it can be win a lawsuit for ridiculous things. Same reason your car has so many warning labels, as well a cup of coffee from McDonalds, a toaster, etc, etc...

I wouldn't doubt if the entire city of New Orleans is going to have a warning sign from now on. :ne_nau: WARNING: THIS TOWN IS ESSENTIALLY ONE GIANT LEAKY BATHTUB AND MAY FLOOD AT ANYTIME!

Why worry when you can sue??? Sit back and blame somebody else for it, its much easier, AND rewarding!
:2thumbs:

[James_B_Wads2000]

playing kitty kat with a wild bear and pet him=SUICIDAL THOUGHT

my parents if i die canyoneering /climbing/rafting :they will think I look for that and they think i am stupid (and agree with them but in utah there are no beaches to lounge on )
that is why i try to be extra safe in all the dangerous activities i do
like never force my limits, always choose careful my partners and discarde the testosterone driven one.
I do not have to demonstrate nothing to nobody and if I do not feel right i back off

were I grow up keychain-biners and regular quicklink they do not say nothing
here in USA they have to write "NOT FOR CLIMB" to avoid dumb brainless people to climb on them.
here they have also to tell you that petting a bear is dangerous ,climbing is dangerous ,shower with your haidryer on is dangerous.

:ne_nau: you do not know that?

I guess the launguage barrier is too big, or you're just a dumbas*. You continue to miss my point. You almost had it when you said:



I do not have to demonstrate nothing to nobody and if I do not feel right i back off


So I will just agree with you and say...

that gu yis STUPD and be
ar SHOULD have killedhim
but bear not die

James

[hesse15]

that gu yis STUPD and be
ar SHOULD have killedhim
but bear not die
James

translation: that guy is STUPD and bear SHOULD have killed him
but bear not die
yes the guy was stupid
and that the bear was just doing bear-thing (looking for food)
and just because was being a bear and not a Disney character got killed
you know i will stay far away from bears
I think they will love to have an Italian dinner :nod:

by the way
you're just a dumbas*.
sound a little offensive to me
dumb ass= Noun. An idiot. [Orig. U.S.]
Adj. Idiotic, stupid.
se mai sei tu un idiota totale che si crede chissa` chi
ma va a farti benedire stronzetto :mrgreen:

[derstuka]

I guess the launguage barrier is too big, or you're just a dumbas*. You continue to miss my point. You almost had it when you said:

James

WOW...FLAG ON THE PLAY!!! CAN I GET A REFEREE IN HERE???

[Udink]

se mai sei tu un idiota totale che si crede chissa` chi
ma va a farti benedire stronzetto :mrgreen:
Too bad Babelfish isn't great at translating Italian:

"if never six you an idiot total that believes chissa who but it goes it makes you to bless stronzetto"

Now I just need to know what "chissa" and "stronzetto" are...

[hesse15]

se mai sei tu un idiota totale che si crede chissa` chi
ma va a farti benedire stronzetto :mrgreen:
Too bad Babelfish isn't great at translating Italian:

"if never six you an idiot total that believes chissa who but it goes it makes you to bless stronzetto"

Now I just need to know what "chissa" and "stronzetto" are...
sorry but is more than that
is the whole phrase that make the meaning not the single words
so bad that there are "language barriers"

[Udink]

so bad that there are "language barriers"
I don't mind so much. Some people need reminders that the world is not so vanilla as it seems from here in "Zion." :smile:

[LJ]

I've cleared my busy social calendar to watch this tonight.

I've always loved grizzlies and spent many years living, hiking, camping in the middle of grizzly country. I always greatly respected that they were out there and did what I could to not have an encounter with them. I made noise while hiking (no bear bells sorry they drive me crazy - got so I instinctively made more sound when the wind was not carrying my scent in the direction I was hiking), got out of any area with fresh bear sign, hung my food, avoided scented products, etc. etc. I was always very aware and did all the things they suggest. I only had two encounters with them and both time luckily the bear backed down. I and my hiker friends knew the risk of our activities in the bear's territory and told others that if something did happen it was our fault and to leave the bear alone. I haven't had to interact with a griz to appreciate that they are out there.

Unfortunately, in any interaction between bears and people - the bear will always lose. (not saying the person might not lose also) whether it's the bear being shot after mauling a person or the bear learns that people mean food or even the bear gets a bit more acclimated to people.

Side note - it took years to get used to hiking in non-bear territory. It was almost a relief to not have to worry about it. Now though I worry about rocks falling on my head or falling from great heights so trade one worry for another I guess.[/u]

[Iceaxe]

Some people need reminders that the world is not so vanilla as it seems from here in "Zion."

:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:

[david staub]

LJ - sounds like your social calendar is as bad as mine. I was actually supposed to do another snowshoe/backpacking trip this weekend. I was supposed to leave at 3:00 today. It is now 5:20 and I am still at work. It looks like I will be here for a couple more hours. I hope you enjoy the show. Maybe I will make it home in time to watch it too. What a consolation.

[derstuka]

OMG....somebody give me back 2 1/2 hours of my life! Oh, and I had 3 other people watch it as well, since we were sitting around drinking, and I mentioned it. He was even crazier than i thought before! "Her poop is still steamin...it just came out of her!!!" What a nut!

[TreeHugger]

Watched it last night until 11:00 - then as my husband said "I cant watch this lunatic rant any longer" Yeah, I'd say definately mentally ill - Bipolar, Narcissitic personality disorder.... wow. Very interesting, though, I must say!

[donny h]

I didn't expect it to be a comedy, but I was laughing out loud at Treadwells opening statement, and it got funnier from there.

Being personally offended that a fox took his hat.

Saying a eulogy for a dead bee, then the bee woke up.

Interpreting 'hi timmy' and a 'smiley face' to be death threats.

Getting offended by throwing a rock at an approaching bear. Did you notice the rock throwers appeared unarmed? They had cameras and a fishing pole. NPS still advises rock throwing on their website.

His hair obsession.

His rain rant.

His park service rant.

Yep, funny stuff.

I will give Treadwell props for being tough, there is no doubt about that, anyone that can camp for months in that environment is a tough individual, months without hot water, months of trail food, lots of weather, did you notice the insects in some of that footage?

[LJ]

I didn't expect it to be a comedy, but I was laughing out loud at Treadwells opening statement, and it got funnier from there.

Being personally offended that a fox took his hat.

Saying a eulogy for a dead bee, then the bee woke up.

Interpreting 'hi timmy' and a 'smiley face' to be death threats.

Getting offended by throwing a rock at an approaching bear. Did you notice the rock throwers appeared unarmed? They had cameras and a fishing pole. NPS still advises rock throwing on their website.

His hair obsession.

His rain rant.

His park service rant.

Yep, funny stuff.

I will give Treadwell props for being tough, there is no doubt about that, anyone that can camp for months in that environment is a tough individual, months without hot water, months of trail food, lots of weather, did you notice the insects in some of that footage?

Definitely he was a goofball (apologies to our "goofball" - jason) I do wonder though how much of his bizarreness was due to being out there alone or just with those nameless women. Boredom and bug bites can bring out a lot of latent idiosyncrasies.

I did laugh at his hair obsession.

I bet he was quite the challenge to the park service.

It was a sad ending to the guy and Amie. From the documentary it seemed like he really just thought he had something special about him that the bears saw and that he would be fine.

He sure did got amazing footage - no doubt.

LJ

[donny h]

From the documentary it seemed like he really just thought he had something special about him that the bears saw and that he would be fine. LJ

I agree, he actually bought into his own hype.

Solitude CAN do funny things, I was camped right next to a very loud creek last summer, and hadn't seen a soul for days, and I started having auditory hallucinations: dogs barking, vehicle motors, loud stereos, and loud voices.

I had to move my tent away from the creek, and the noises stopped, it seems it had something to do with the white noise of the water, for days on end, and total solitude.

Now I've admitted to being certifiable, on a public forum no less. :crazy:

Was anyone else creeped out by the coroner in the film?

[derstuka]

Did anybody else notice that almost everybody in that movie seemed wacked??? Man, that Jewel girl was "out there" and that Coroner guy was extremely weird. See how his eyes bugged out when he was talking, and how he would just stare in the camera? Even the bush pilot was a little wacked.

I love Timmy's little tirade on camera talking about the NPS...man, he was a little colorful with his antics to say the least...AND with the bears, "I love you, I love you, I love you, Mr chocolate!"

[derstuka]

From the documentary it seemed like he really just thought he had something special about him that the bears saw and that he would be fine. LJ

I agree, he actually bought into his own hype.

Solitude CAN do funny things, I was camped right next to a very loud creek last summer, and hadn't seen a soul for days, and I started having auditory hallucinations: dogs barking, vehicle motors, loud stereos, and loud voices.

I had to move my tent away from the creek, and the noises stopped, it seems it had something to do with the white noise of the water, for days on end, and total solitude.

Now I've admitted to being certifiable, on a public forum no less. :crazy:

Was anyone else creeped out by the coroner in the film?

I personally think that ole Timmy was a little disturbed before he arrived in the bush. Man, I was getting some flak from the friends I told to watch it.

[LJ]

Solitude CAN do funny things, I was camped right next to a very loud creek last summer, and hadn't seen a soul for days, and I started having auditory hallucinations: dogs barking, vehicle motors, loud stereos, and loud voices.

I had to move my tent away from the creek, and the noises stopped, it seems it had something to do with the white noise of the water, for days on end, and total solitude.

Now I've admitted to being certifiable, on a public forum no less. :crazy:

Was anyone else creeped out by the coroner in the film?

The longest I have been out alone was a week and I was definitely talking to myself (a habit I have to this day when I am hiking/skiing/biking by myself) who knows how I would have been with a video camera plus a mirror and a brush.....

I think most of us on this forum are certifiable - I'd be worried about you if you weren't.

Yeah - he sent chills down my back the way he was talking about the bodies and the audio tape. Then they put that "body" on the table in front of him and it was all creepy.

LJ

[Sombeech]

Sounds like I'd better tune in and watch this. How many episodes are left?

[marc olivares]

i rented it a few weeks back and watched it w/ some buddies...
the dude had it coming, i think he got what he deserved.

but my favorite part was at the end...the little tune that that bush pilot was singing...on man, talk about classic.

good documentary...not as good as the Aristocrats...but i guess that's for another thread.
:haha:

[marc olivares]

edit: D'oh double post....man i should get to bed

[derstuka]

but my favorite part was at the end...the little tune that that bush pilot was singing...on man, talk about classic.


My friends and I were cracking up over that song that the bush pilot was playing! I cannot wait to pick up that CD so I can jam to it! That song was hilarious. I would love to find that CD just for fun. :haha: :haha:

[derstuka]

Sounds like I'd better tune in and watch this. How many episodes are left?

There is only one episode as it is a full-length movie, not a TV show. It was on again last night, but I have no idea after that. Make sure ya smoke a fattie before you watch it, it might make the movie actually make more sense!

[david staub]

I watched the show and even TEVO'd it. The guy was looking for a connection that just wasn't there. Did he think that he was the Jane Goodall (sp?) of the bears? His rant about "how dare they..." seemed like he was trying to create a cause or stance that just didn't make sense. Like his friend said "stick a person in a room alone and they will be crazy by Thursday..." This guy was looking for fame and it ended up costing him and Amie. He was a nut!!!!!!!!!

[James_B_Wads2000]

the dude had it coming, i think he got what he deserved.


Glad to see you were paying close attention. :2thumbs: